MEETING LOG

The Council of Guilds met on Wednesday, July 5, 2000 in the Lake Rathe Arena. Below is the log from that meeting, taken by Haemish, of the Silver Daggers edited to remove /tells, /shouts, /ooc and anything else not relevant to the discussion. This meeting was focused on our how to get our members into planes and dragons raids, as well as our coming dungeon mixer hunt. I have split this into two pages so cut down on the file size.

 

[Wed Jul 05 20:13:49 2000] You say, 'Welcome to the Council of Guilds meeting... I would ask that unless you must create food or water or maintain an illusion, please refrain for casting spells or drinking until it's drinking time.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:13:53 2000] Jzonn bonks Nagek really hard.
[Wed Jul 05 20:13:55 2000] Shelena bonks Nagek on the head!
[Wed Jul 05 20:14:00 2000] Pippi says, 'hehe'
[Wed Jul 05 20:14:19 2000] Nagek says, 'Stop ! sorry ('
[Wed Jul 05 20:14:49 2000] You say, 'I want to thank you all for coming tonight'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:18 2000] You say, 'We have reps from The Kindred Souls of Norrath, Avenging Crusaders, The Shrine Knights, Royal Guardians of Norrath...'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:30 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'Cold Comfort'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:31 2000] Pippi says, 'ahem )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:43 2000] Jzonn comforts Pippi.
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:49 2000] You say, 'Knights of Kindred Faith, Masters of the Arts, Villa Villekula, Haven of LIght, The Silver Daggers, Cold Comfort and Sign of One'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:49 2000] Nagek sighs.
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:52 2000] Shelena gets jealous.
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:52 2000] Cyan thinks hes still typing.
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:58 2000] Nagek says, 'Woohoo'
[Wed Jul 05 20:15:58 2000] Pippi says, 'sorry )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:16:18 2000] Cyan grins evilly.
[Wed Jul 05 20:16:29 2000] You say, 'As we normally do, I'll spout off, and if you have a question or comment about the topic, just give me a tell and I'll put you in line to speak'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:17 2000] You say, 'First up, I'd like to recognize Najek, of the Masters of the Arts, otherwise known as Damian... hope I spelled that right'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:28 2000] Nagek says, 'Ahem Damius'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:33 2000] Nagek waves.
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:36 2000] You say, 'Sorry, Damius'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:38 2000] You bonk Haemish on the head!
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:39 2000] Nagek says, 'Np'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:41 2000] Pippi says, 'damian is about right )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:47 2000] Sertain laughs.
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:47 2000] Jzonn says, 'LOL'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:48 2000] Nagek says, 'Hush you )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:17:55 2000] Shelena giggles at Nagek.
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:03 2000] You say, 'My memory for names is not very good, so if I forget one, I apologize ahead of time'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:14 2000] Nagek says, 'Heh )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:30 2000] You say, 'I'd also like to recognize Kanena from the Knights of Kindred Faith, a new name to me'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:38 2000] Kanena says, 'Hail'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:40 2000] Xistalben pokes Kanena.
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:44 2000] You say, 'Welcome'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:49 2000] Kanena says, 'Thank you.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:50 2000] Pippi waves at Kanena.
[Wed Jul 05 20:18:56 2000] Xistalben says, 'Hi'
[Wed Jul 05 20:19:16 2000] You say, 'I'd also like to recognize Jzonn of the Avenging Crusaders... many of us know Jzonn, he's just got a new guildtag tonight... glad to see ye again Jzonn'
[Wed Jul 05 20:19:28 2000] Jzonn says, 'Glad to be here.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:19:46 2000] You say, 'I'd also like to recognize Jorgurdar, the new representative from Cold Comfort'
[Wed Jul 05 20:19:50 2000] Jorgurdar waves.
[Wed Jul 05 20:19:54 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'hiyas all'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:07 2000] Pippi says, 'heya 0'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:09 2000] Nagek says, 'hi'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:11 2000] Belce waves at Jorgurdar.
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:18 2000] Jzonn says, 'Welcome to you both.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:24 2000] You say, 'Ok, first topic of the evening.... something that has been talked about a lot lately... Planes Raids!'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:34 2000] Ceny coughs.
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:40 2000] Nagek says, 'heh that counts my guild out =)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:48 2000] Kanena says, 'Heh, mine too'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:52 2000] Haemish bows before Cyan.
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:54 2000] Shelena says, 'mine three'
[Wed Jul 05 20:20:56 2000] Cyan bows to everyone and whispers take care all.
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:01 2000] Gilanthis says, 'ours aswell'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:04 2000] Jzonn waves goodbye to Cyan.
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:17 2000] Nagek waves goodbye to Ceny.
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:19 2000] You say, 'While you may not think this means your guild, yes we mean your guild too :)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:22 2000] Cyan says, 'my apologizes, but RL calls unfortunately'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:25 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'erm.. im the only one in CC that is plane ready..heh'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:25 2000] Ceny waves goodbye to Nagek.
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:32 2000] Shelena waves goodbye to Ceny.
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:33 2000] Jzonn says, 'Take care, Cyan.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:36 2000] Pippi says, 'bye cyan'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:40 2000] You say, 'Take care Cyan'
[Wed Jul 05 20:21:45 2000] Shelena says, 'oops cyan'
[Wed Jul 05 20:22:22 2000] You say, 'While it may not matter for some of you now.... at some point, it is likely that at least one of your members will reach planes level... for my guild, we have 2 that have reached this level already'
[Wed Jul 05 20:22:59 2000] You say, 'Since many of our guilds cannot put enough people together for a guild only plane raid, there are a few options '
[Wed Jul 05 20:23:39 2000] Jorgurdar has been to PoF once
[Wed Jul 05 20:23:44 2000] Pippi says, ')'
[Wed Jul 05 20:23:49 2000] You say, 'Some of the multi-guild alliances out there consist of guilds of these sizes, and allow enough players from up to 7 or 8 guilds to go together'
[Wed Jul 05 20:23:58 2000] You say, 'Once such alliance is the Alliance of the Valiant Blades'
[Wed Jul 05 20:24:11 2000] Sertain sounds like a great idea.
[Wed Jul 05 20:24:15 2000] Pippi tells you, 'got a comment to make after yer done )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:24:19 2000] You told Pippi, 'Ok :-)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:24:43 2000] You say, 'Now Edina, if I'm correct, your guild is in the Alliance of Valiant Blades, correct? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:24:53 2000] Edina says, 'Yes Haemish'
[Wed Jul 05 20:25:05 2000] Edina says, 'We have had a few members go on raids'
[Wed Jul 05 20:25:07 2000] You say, 'Have you any insight into the Alliance and how it works? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:25:54 2000] Edina says, 'Having not gone myself, I can't give you that information. But from what I have heard and this is strictly my opinion...it appears a bit more organization is due'
[Wed Jul 05 20:25:57 2000] Nagek is afk a sec.
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:08 2000] Jzonn agrees with Edina.
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:16 2000] You say, 'It seems a bit ..... scattershot? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:22 2000] Pippi nods.
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:48 2000] Edina says, 'Well... possibly. I think its new and the bugs just need to be worked out.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:57 2000] You say, 'Keep in mind I'm not criticizing it, just want to know what you've heard'
[Wed Jul 05 20:26:59 2000] Jorgurdar nods.
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:05 2000] Edina says, 'Yes, I understand'
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:11 2000] Nagek is back.
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:23 2000] You say, 'Pippi, ye had something to say? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:30 2000] Pippi says, 'yer done?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:41 2000] You say, 'Not yet, but I'd like to hear yer thoughts'
[Wed Jul 05 20:27:57 2000] Pippi says, 'just a quick comment on the planes idea'
[Wed Jul 05 20:28:07 2000] Pippi says, 'I was invited to consider joining the AoVB'
[Wed Jul 05 20:28:21 2000] Xistalben wants to ask a question.
[Wed Jul 05 20:28:28 2000] Pippi says, 'one of the main reasons I haven't joined is that I would like to see what the council will do overall'
[Wed Jul 05 20:28:54 2000] Pippi says, 'also, I would like to see how the experienced guilds and alliances are doing it, and being part of one alliance would exclude me from others, I think'
[Wed Jul 05 20:29:12 2000] Jzonn nods.
[Wed Jul 05 20:29:42 2000] Pippi says, 'I would like to hear what your guilds are planning at this point: join an alliance in order to get your plane ready members in, or wait and be independents?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:30:04 2000] You say, 'Well, for me personally I'm looking at as many options as I can'
[Wed Jul 05 20:30:26 2000] You say, 'First off, I've gained Access to the Karana Guild Central board to be able to see what they are doing'
[Wed Jul 05 20:30:59 2000] Jorgurdar is AFK smoking!
[Wed Jul 05 20:31:02 2000] Pippi says, 'heh'
[Wed Jul 05 20:31:37 2000] You say, 'Second, I've approached the Alliance of Valiant Blades about including my 2 planes level members on their next dragon raid and/or plane raid'
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:00 2000] Nagek tells DeSani to hush.
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:07 2000] Xistalben laughs.
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:17 2000] You say, 'I did this for one big reason.... one of my members is level 51 and has not been on a Dragon raid yet....'
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:38 2000] Shelena raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:41 2000] You say, 'With the recent changes to the dragons, he is worried that he might not be able to DO a dragon raid before he reaches 53'
[Wed Jul 05 20:32:43 2000] Citen begins to cast a spell.
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:07 2000] You say, 'So I didn't have the option of waiting and seeing'
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:07 2000] Xistalben says, 'why worry?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:16 2000] You told Shelena, 'Aye, ye'll be after Jorgurdar'
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:41 2000] You say, 'Because at level 53, if you get on Nagafen or Vox's aggro list, you are booted out of the zone... so you can't really participate'
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:54 2000] You say, 'It's an experience he wants to have'
[Wed Jul 05 20:33:56 2000] Nagek thinks that stupid.
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:02 2000] Xistalben says, 'duh o yea forgot about that thing'
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:02 2000] Vanissa agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:08 2000] Sertain does not would be too easy.
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:27 2000] Nagek roars at DeSani "last warning"
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:36 2000] Kanena chuckles.
[Wed Jul 05 20:34:53 2000] You say, 'So I'm trying to get him on a dragon raid and/or a plane raid, because I think as his guild leader, I owe it to him to help him experience all he can in EQ'
[Wed Jul 05 20:35:22 2000] Kanena agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 20:35:23 2000] You say, 'Now the other thing I've been considering is how to do the same for the Council of Guilds members as well'
[Wed Jul 05 20:35:36 2000] Nagek sighs at Nagek.
[Wed Jul 05 20:35:44 2000] Xistalben thinks DeSani just wants to talk to someone.
[Wed Jul 05 20:36:02 2000] Citen says, 'quick, everyone /tell DeSani =p'
[Wed Jul 05 20:36:11 2000] Edina hasnt cared for Desani ever since he refused to give her back her shovel.
[Wed Jul 05 20:36:40 2000] Nagek says, 'lol...sorry had to do it'
[Wed Jul 05 20:36:56 2000] You say, 'And the idea I've come up with I proposed in the forum'
[Wed Jul 05 20:37:16 2000] You say, 'Since I have KGC access, I'd like to put together a list of the planes ready members of the Council of Guilds'
[Wed Jul 05 20:37:20 2000] Nagek raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 20:37:43 2000] You say, 'And put the Council on the rotation for the planes, when we are ready'
[Wed Jul 05 20:37:52 2000] You say, 'Xistalben, ye wanted tae speak?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:38:07 2000] Xistalben says, 'nahhh yo i'm fine'
[Wed Jul 05 20:38:14 2000] Nagek says, 'Could you sum up what you said =) heh my machine has been down for a few and i'm not totally sure what you are talking about'
[Wed Jul 05 20:38:42 2000] Nagek says, 'sorry +) don't blow me up or anything =('
[Wed Jul 05 20:38:50 2000] Xistalben says, '???'
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:02 2000] You say, 'Ok, I'll summarize.. I'd like to put together a coalition of the Council of Guilds members to do Planes raids and get a spot on the KGC rotation for planes/dragon raids'
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:19 2000] You say, 'Jorgurdar, you had a comment to make? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:22 2000] Nagek says, 'aahhh'
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:37 2000] Sertain thinks that sounds great.
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:53 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'bakc'
[Wed Jul 05 20:39:59 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'back.. sorry about that..heh'
[Wed Jul 05 20:40:01 2000] You say, 'Yer turn tae speak Jorgurdar :-)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:40:11 2000] Xistalben hugs Khess.
[Wed Jul 05 20:40:38 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'ok.. I have been to the Plane of Fear once. It is my opinion that the most important thing here is information'
[Wed Jul 05 20:41:09 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'such as.. getting everyone to the Raid at the right time.. haveing more than enough people in case people dont show....'
[Wed Jul 05 20:41:33 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'and having organization, communication, and some people with prior experience'
[Wed Jul 05 20:41:33 2000] Nagek has defeated DeSani in a duel to the death!
[Wed Jul 05 20:41:44 2000] Citen says, 'lol'
[Wed Jul 05 20:41:45 2000] You say, 'We wish Nagek :-)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:00 2000] Xistalben says, 'i think all of us can take him'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:02 2000] Jorgurdar says, '40 people who arent prepared will be wiped out where 25 people would be successful'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:34 2000] Nagek sighs.
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:46 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i think that signing up with KGC is definately a step in the right direction :)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:46 2000] Xistalben says, 'what kinda MoBs are in the planes?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:47 2000] Nagek agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:55 2000] Citen says, 'Mean ones =)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:57 2000] Jzonn says, 'Aye.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:58 2000] Nagek says, 'Big ones'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:58 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'everything is at least lvl 49+'
[Wed Jul 05 20:42:59 2000] You say, 'Really tough ones Xis'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:15 2000] Xistalben says, 'well i know that but are they like all over?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:28 2000] Kanena says, 'It takes forever to kill one.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:34 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'but having people who know about breaking planes and about tactics is an absolute must'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:38 2000] You say, 'There are roamers, there are static spawns, there are some right at the zone'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:51 2000] You say, 'And there are gods as well'
[Wed Jul 05 20:43:53 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'the aggro range of plane mobs is about 3x normal too'
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:07 2000] Xistalben says, 'what about Invis?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:16 2000] Belce says, 'no go '
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:19 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'most plane mobs see invis'
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:23 2000] Nagek says, 'i agree with Jor =) i have been playing for almost a year...and as i don't have much in the way of Char. i do know what he's talking about'
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:37 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'now.. everyone also must know their role to the Raid...'
[Wed Jul 05 20:44:58 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'there is no shame in being a shaman who just sits and meds and heals... no dd or dots... '
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:03 2000] Belce says, 'disclpine'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:13 2000] Xistalben says, 'so is this Plane raid a thing to just get good items or to expierence the planes?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:14 2000] Edina says, 'Yes, that is what I heard. Everyone needs to know their job.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:15 2000] Sertain knows too and agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:36 2000] Jzonn says, 'You don't go for exp.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:37 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'as long as there is one person who is in charge of everything.. assigns tasks... is a confident leader and does not break down when everyone dies'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:39 2000] You say, 'Xis, it's a different reason for everyone... some go for the experience, and some go for the loot'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:47 2000] Gilanthis waves to everyone.
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:53 2000] Xistalben wants a Carmine robe.
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:54 2000] You say, 'And some go back for the loot again and again'
[Wed Jul 05 20:45:59 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i also went to City of Mist to see Lord Ghiosk... we had 30+ people wiped out in 30seconds'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:01 2000] Nagek would like to ask something.
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:03 2000] You say, 'Night Gilanthis... have a good evening'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:17 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'but you dont panic.. you regroup...'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:19 2000] Nagek says, 'Night Gilan'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:25 2000] Shelena says, 'night gilan'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:49 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'realize where your strengths are.. monks.. Shadowknights... necros.. clerics.. regular tactics dont apply on Raids'
[Wed Jul 05 20:46:56 2000] Xistalben says, 'so if you want loot why don't you get a bunch of lvl 60's to take you there and kick arse'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:18 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'a bunch of lvl 60s who dont know what they are doing will die easily'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:27 2000] You say, 'First off, there are not very many level 60's... plus much of the loot is also no drop'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:34 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'perfect example is this:'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:46 2000] Xistalben says, 'hehe by the time i'm able to go to Planes their will be tons'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:52 2000] Jzonn says, 'The politics of raids is pretty complicated.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:47:59 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'my first experience in Fear... i went thru the portal.. saw a cute little wooly spiderling like in everfrost....'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:02 2000] Nagek agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:06 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'that promptly Triple hit me for 143'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:15 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'and had a 1200 dot'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:23 2000] Kanena says, 'Yikes!'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:25 2000] Nagek trys to hold back the laughter.
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:28 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'but being calm... that is the key'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:33 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i didnt die'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:36 2000] You say, 'Then you saw... LOADING ... PLEASE WAIT'
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:43 2000] You smile.
[Wed Jul 05 20:48:44 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i was in PoF for 12 hours and not one death'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:02 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'because we had organization and experience '
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:18 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'also.. planar loot... most of it is NODROP'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:20 2000] Xistalben says, 'hehe my tatic is Root and run'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:28 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'you run.. you die'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:36 2000] Ceny raises her hand.
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:37 2000] Belce says, 'no running on the planes'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:44 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'you can recover from death'
[Wed Jul 05 20:49:49 2000] Belce says, 'it is where walk is used'
[Wed Jul 05 20:50:02 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'you can recover from the whole raid dying'
[Wed Jul 05 20:50:19 2000] Xistalben says, 'hehe turn and Ice comet them all '
[Wed Jul 05 20:50:21 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'you cannot recover being the goober who caused 60 corpses to pile up at the portal'
[Wed Jul 05 20:50:51 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'because then you wont be invited, as you would be considered a risk... '
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:06 2000] Xistalben shouts, 'screw you DeSani i'm a Gnome bring it'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:11 2000] You say, 'I think the gist of what Jorgudar is getting to is that planes and dragon raids are not like normal hunting or dungeon raids'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:28 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'hehe.. first thing ... does everyone know how to use /assist ..... hehe'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:36 2000] Citen says, 'and if ya treat em as such, you die..and you die hard'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:37 2000] You say, 'They require more discipline, tactics, and temwork than any other type of fighting anywhere'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:40 2000] Sertain knows that is rigth.
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:44 2000] Nagek says, 'i do Jor =) hehe'
[Wed Jul 05 20:51:47 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i didnt know that till i was post 40.. hehe'
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:15 2000] Kanena says, 'I use assist all the time.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:17 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i thought you just made a /assist button.. but you can then put a space and someones name.. works wonders when ya cant see the main tank'
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:26 2000] Vanissa says, 'so we need another mixer, and soon! =)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:37 2000] Jzonn says, 'Aye.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:41 2000] You say, 'Right! Does anyone here not know what we mean by a mixer hunt? '
[Wed Jul 05 20:52:52 2000] Kanena raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 20:53:02 2000] Ceny says, 'i didn't know you had them, but know what the concept is. '
[Wed Jul 05 20:53:07 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'also.. even if you are normally the leader.. we cant have 12 or 15 leaders on the planes... it doesnt work... suck in the pride and follow one person.. that is how it works.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:53:31 2000] You say, 'Jorgurdar, I don't mean to cut you short.. I'd actually like you to share your planes experience on the Forum if you will'
[Wed Jul 05 20:53:52 2000] Vanissa says, 'i look forward to it'
[Wed Jul 05 20:53:57 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'heh.. ok.. thats pretty much it, tho.. a lot of common sense works wonders '
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:04 2000] Kanena says, 'I'm sorry, but what is a mixer?'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:08 2000] Nagek says, 'OMG!!! this DeSani is pushing my good nature *grins*'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:10 2000] You say, 'You'd be amazed how uncommon common sense is :-)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:18 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'indeed!'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:18 2000] You say, 'Ok, the Mixer Hunts'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:33 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'heh.. anyways.. that is all i have about the planes :)'
[Wed Jul 05 20:54:42 2000] You say, 'One of the reasons we started the mixer hunt is because of the things Jorgudar has highlighted about the planes'
[Wed Jul 05 20:55:01 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'oh.. good way to practice this is to go to the bottom of paw'
[Wed Jul 05 20:55:10 2000] Kanena says, 'Ah, my second home )'
[Wed Jul 05 20:55:12 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'or to go to Kedge'
[Wed Jul 05 20:55:26 2000] You say, 'It takes uncommon discipline, as well uncommon teamwork to break into a plane or kill one of the younger Dragons'
[Wed Jul 05 20:55:36 2000] Jzonn says, 'Aye.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:00 2000] You say, 'The mixer hunts combine as many guilds from the Council of Guilds as possible into a series of dungeon hunts'
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:19 2000] Kanena says, 'I understand this. I've seen whole groups train in Paw, where three of us can hold the whole front of it.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:19 2000] You say, 'As well as anyone who wishes to join in the hunt, guilded, or not , Council member or not'
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:25 2000] Shelena hates paw
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:44 2000] You say, 'We break it up into level ranges, and each range is given a dungeon to conquer'
[Wed Jul 05 20:56:46 2000] Nagek hates DeSani.
[Wed Jul 05 20:57:38 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'heh.. at lvl 35 i went to the bottom of paw.. granted i was in a full group, and was lowest one..but still.. went to the ishva room :P'
[Wed Jul 05 20:57:46 2000] You say, 'For instance, on our first Mixer Hunt, levels 20-29 took down Najena, levels 30-39 went to Mistmoore and Levels 40+ went to Kedge Keep'
[Wed Jul 05 20:57:51 2000] Kanena says, 'That is interesting.'
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:05 2000] Citen says, 'heh...yeah..the 6-20 BB raid fell apart fast'
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:34 2000] You say, 'Each dungeon is assigned an overall Dungeon Leader, and he splits the groups up.... assigning each group a Group Leader'
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:35 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'Citen, thats because most 6-20 dont really know how to fight well yet'
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:44 2000] Citen says, 'Yeah, as i found out'
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:57 2000] Kanena nods.
[Wed Jul 05 20:58:58 2000] You say, 'And Citen as I understand it, you had some bad connectivity problems that hurt that hunt as well'
[Wed Jul 05 20:59:05 2000] Citen says, 'Yeah...'
[Wed Jul 05 20:59:09 2000] Citen knocks his pc.
[Wed Jul 05 20:59:20 2000] You say, 'That happens..... I'm sure you were bald from pulling your hair out'
[Wed Jul 05 20:59:42 2000] Jzonn thinks Citen was bald before that raid.
[Wed Jul 05 20:59:44 2000] Citen says, 'Lol yeah..ive been meaning to buy a wig =p'
[Wed Jul 05 21:00:03 2000] You say, 'We found out a good number of things about these type of raids on the first one'
[Wed Jul 05 21:00:03 2000] Vanissa says, 'i have a dirty boot you can use'
[Wed Jul 05 21:00:07 2000] Nagek hopes no one minds if he removes his cloths...err..helm.
[Wed Jul 05 21:00:51 2000] Vanissa says, 'shrink the ogres and trolls!'
[Wed Jul 05 21:01:01 2000] You say, 'But the main idea was to start training people early how to hunt in large multi-group teams'
[Wed Jul 05 21:01:17 2000] Jorgurdar nods.
[Wed Jul 05 21:01:19 2000] You say, 'So that when we all reach planes level, we are as ready as we'll ever be'
[Wed Jul 05 21:01:57 2000] Kanena says, 'I think that is a good idea, too many people run around training and then wondering why they are being yelled at...mostly inexperience and stupidity.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:01:59 2000] You say, 'Now there is another purpose to these hunts... if we are training as a group, as the Council of Guilds, we can demonstrate our ability to do these type of raids on our own'
[Wed Jul 05 21:02:39 2000] You say, 'Now there are about 30 or so guilds listed as members of the Council of Guilds'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:12 2000] You say, 'If all of us have an average of 2-4 members ready for planes, that's about 60 people we can put together'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:28 2000] Nagek says, 'i don't even have 1 =)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:37 2000] Kanena says, 'I'm the highest in my guild. '
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:46 2000] You say, 'You may not have 1 now, but at some point in the future, you probably will'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:46 2000] Shelena says, 'we have one but hes now 54 hehe too high'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:50 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'im highest in my guild.. and the only one plane capable'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:57 2000] Jzonn says, 'That's ok. We have 8 at last count.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:03:57 2000] Nagek says, 'my main is too and he's 35'
[Wed Jul 05 21:04:05 2000] Sertain knows the shrine knights will in a month or two.
[Wed Jul 05 21:04:33 2000] Nagek knows MoA never will.
[Wed Jul 05 21:04:37 2000] You say, 'What I'd like to see is every guild in the Council please post the names and levels of those in their guilds who are level 44 and up'
[Wed Jul 05 21:05:00 2000] You say, 'There is a Forum thread for planes raids... please post them there'
[Wed Jul 05 21:05:49 2000] You say, 'This way, we can have a list of people who are ready to go now... and when you have 1 or more at this level, post their names'
[Wed Jul 05 21:06:22 2000] Jorgurdar sighs, clearly disappointed.
[Wed Jul 05 21:06:37 2000] Khess hugs Xistalben.
[Wed Jul 05 21:06:38 2000] Jorgurdar says, '. :)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:06:42 2000] You say, 'Now, once we have a good sized list, we can take that to the Karana Guild Central and get a spot on the rotatoin'
[Wed Jul 05 21:06:44 2000] Xistalben hugs Khess.
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:18 2000] Nagek says, 'for the love of....'
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:25 2000] Shelena bonks Desani.
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:30 2000] You say, 'Is there anyone who doesn't know what the Karana Guild Central is? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:34 2000] Citen says, 'which means hes gonna go slap Abashi heh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:44 2000] Nagek says, 'right here Haem'
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:47 2000] Citen raises hand, i dont.
[Wed Jul 05 21:07:54 2000] Kanena says, 'Me either'
[Wed Jul 05 21:08:04 2000] Aere says, 'lol'
[Wed Jul 05 21:08:05 2000] You say, 'Ok, the Karana Guild Central or KGC is a group of guilds who have created a web board'
[Wed Jul 05 21:08:39 2000] Nagek says, 'oki doki smokie'
[Wed Jul 05 21:08:41 2000] Shelena bonks DeSani again and again.
[Wed Jul 05 21:08:45 2000] You say, 'This includes guilds like Grey Hawke, Legacy, Valoran, and a number of others, all of whom have a good number of members at or above planes/dragons levels'
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:00 2000] Kanena says, 'How do we get our guild in the council?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:09 2000] Aere waves goodbye to everyone.
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:13 2000] Nagek says, 'bye Aere'
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:26 2000] You say, 'They use the board to schedule planes and dragon raids so that 2 or more guilds don't try to do the planes all at the same time'
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:37 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'it was put together to give average guilds who could scrape together a plane capable group the chance to go.. whereas otherwise they might not be able to go'
[Wed Jul 05 21:09:38 2000] You say, 'Kanena, do you mean getting your guild in the Council of Guilds? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:06 2000] Kanena says, 'yes'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:28 2000] You say, 'Just email me your guildname, the character names and email addresses of your 2 Council representatives and I'll add you'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:38 2000] You say, 'The email address is [email protected]'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:38 2000] Kanena says, 'Ok'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:40 2000] Nagek says, 'do we have to have 2? =)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:47 2000] You say, 'You can have 1 or 2'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:47 2000] Nagek says, 'cause uhh.....'
[Wed Jul 05 21:10:51 2000] Nagek says, 'woohoo'
[Wed Jul 05 21:11:21 2000] You say, 'In any situations where a vote is called for, each guild only has 1 vote, no matter how large or small the guild is'
[Wed Jul 05 21:11:29 2000] Kanena says, 'Ok, thanks.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:11:52 2000] Nagek says, 'ok =) i just wanted to make sure i wasn't short handed =)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:12:17 2000] You say, 'Now, the Karana Guild Central, or KGC has a password protected board where you schedule your raid.... you have to ask for access to this board'
[Wed Jul 05 21:12:47 2000] You say, 'Anyone who wishes to get in on this board, please go there and ask for access... I'll post the URL to the forum tonight or tomorrow'
[Wed Jul 05 21:13:25 2000] You say, 'They may or may not grant access to everyone... not sure what the criteria for gaining access is'
[Wed Jul 05 21:14:01 2000] You say, 'Some of you may be thinking "Why should I have to schedule my raid with anyone.... everyone can go to any zone they want."'
[Wed Jul 05 21:14:22 2000] You say, 'This is true... '
[Wed Jul 05 21:14:33 2000] You say, 'But... the planes and dragons are not your normal dungeons.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:14:52 2000] Shelena says, 'naggie only spawns ever 7 days'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:00 2000] Shelena says, 'same with vox'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:03 2000] You say, 'Whereas most things in Norrath spawn on 4 hours or less, the things in these zones do not spawn repeatedly'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:19 2000] Jzonn raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:27 2000] You say, 'Clearing a plane one day may mean that the plane is almost empty up to 12 hours after the last person is killed'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:28 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'same with Inno and Cazic'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:32 2000] Vanissa says, 'where are we headed with this?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:15:35 2000] You say, 'Yes Jzonn'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:03 2000] Jzonn says, 'We've talked a good bit about what we can do. It just occured to me we could try a FG or IG raid.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:18 2000] Belce nods.
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:19 2000] Nagek says, 'what level are they?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:23 2000] Jzonn says, 'High.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:25 2000] Citen says, 'Fg?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:30 2000] You say, 'That is one idea... I've got another idea for you guys... Ice Giants are around 45 I think'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:35 2000] Jzonn says, 'They are what you must get through before Naggy and Vox.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:35 2000] Belce says, 'some giants are over 50'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:36 2000] Shelena says, 'frost giant or ice giant'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:39 2000] Citen says, 'ahh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:40 2000] Nagek says, 'heh...thanx for the scintifical desprition Jz'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:43 2000] Kanena says, 'Groups of high 20's to 30's can do HG's'
[Wed Jul 05 21:16:50 2000] Jzonn says, 'Fire Giant.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:04 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'doh.. heh. thought you were talking about Cazic.. he is 55..heh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:11 2000] Nagek says, 'lol'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:15 2000] Vanissa says, 'a giant slaying raid would be fun, count me in'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:20 2000] You say, 'One of the other things we can do as a high level group is some of the Kunark dungeons'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:24 2000] Kanena says, 'Yeah, it would be fun.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:34 2000] Jzonn says, 'City of Mist'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:45 2000] Kanena says, 'Yeah'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:47 2000] You say, 'Some of the Kunark dungeons, such as City of Mist have barely been touched on any servers'
[Wed Jul 05 21:17:59 2000] Nagek raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:22 2000] You say, 'If the Council of Guilds can put together a raid into one of these dungeons that succeed, that would be a great feather in all our caps'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:25 2000] You say, 'Yes Nagek?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:26 2000] Jorgurdar has been to the City of Mist.
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:33 2000] Nagek says, 'Haemish that high level KUnark idea is nice..'cept on thing...not everyone has it'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:44 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'who does not have Kunark?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:46 2000] Shelena agrees.
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:50 2000] You say, 'True, that is one problem'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:52 2000] Nagek says, 'my nephew'
[Wed Jul 05 21:18:59 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'i know of only one in my Clan.. '
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:03 2000] Kanena says, 'I have it and have not yet gone there.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:16 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'unfortunately, it is our highest warrior, Qweebo the Mighty'
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:27 2000] Sertain has gone there and had terrible experiences and has not gone back.
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:28 2000] Nagek says, 'granted my nephew is only level 12 =0) he doesn't have it and that is the same with other ppl'
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:29 2000] You say, 'Obviously, not everyone could be included on this'
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:44 2000] You say, 'But again, it's an idea up for discussion'
[Wed Jul 05 21:19:50 2000] Nagek says, 'true'
[Wed Jul 05 21:20:13 2000] You say, 'Now, does anyone have any more thoughts on the planes? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:20:26 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'but Kedge, Najena, Permafrost, Befallen, Paw.. these are prime dungeons... *gasp* ... to lay yer eyes upon Cauldronbubble!!'
[Wed Jul 05 21:20:31 2000] Jzonn says, 'As soon as I get there, I'll give my own account.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:20:39 2000] Shelena shakes head no repeatedly.
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:11 2000] You say, 'Welcome Eleysian of the Dark Oracles'
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:21 2000] Jzonn wonders where Eleysian has been.
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:22 2000] Nagek says, 'Welcome =) heh '
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:27 2000] Belce says, 'Hello Eley'
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:46 2000] Nagek thinks he's sexier then Jz.
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:48 2000] You say, 'Thank ye Eley'
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:51 2000] Sertain thinks let her read text on website and lets move on.
[Wed Jul 05 21:21:55 2000] Jzonn laughs at Nagek.
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:02 2000] Eleysian eyes Sertain.
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:08 2000] Eleysian says, 'Are you always this polite? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:16 2000] Nagek says, 'he is =)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:17 2000] Sertain says, 'sorry hon'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:22 2000] Jzonn says, 'Newbies to the Council meetings. :)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:23 2000] Shelena says, 'no usually hes alot meaner'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:24 2000] Eleysian says, 'Be careful dear, I bite'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:28 2000] Citen thinks hes sexier then Jabobtik here.
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:30 2000] You say, 'Ok, so let's talk about the next Council Guild Mixer Hunt'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:44 2000] Shelena says, 'dont tempt him he likes that'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:52 2000] Nagek says, 'eewwww'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:53 2000] You giggle.
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:55 2000] Citen says, 'heh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:22:56 2000] Eleysian just rolls her eyes and waits.
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:06 2000] Jorgurdar gasps in astonishment.
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:07 2000] Jzonn says, 'Welcome Eley.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:21 2000] Nagek thinks the Nachos for lunch was a bad idea.....shifts uncomfortably.
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:23 2000] You say, 'I'm open to suggestions for the next Mixer dungeons.... suggestions and the levels you think would be good for that dungeon'
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:40 2000] Kanena says, 'Definately Paw )'
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:48 2000] You say, 'Ok, Splitpaw... what levels? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:52 2000] Shelena HATES PAW WITH A PASSION.
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:53 2000] Citen says, 'um...can i say not unrest under any circumstances heh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:23:58 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'haehe'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:00 2000] Nagek says, 'if it has good loot with small risk i'm in'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:00 2000] Kanena loves Paw.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:07 2000] Jzonn reminds Shelena she doesn't have to go to Paw.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:08 2000] You say, 'Oh, one other thing about the Mixer Hunts'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:20 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'must have loot protocol'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:20 2000] Vanissa says, 'unrest is fun'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:27 2000] Shelena knows that and will never go back there ever again.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:27 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'known before the hunt'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:31 2000] Citen hates unrest.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:33 2000] You say, 'The dungeon should preferably be one that is Underutilized... not lag central train stations like Guk or Unrest'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:34 2000] Edina loves Unrest.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:53 2000] Jzonn says, 'Upper Guk would be good.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:56 2000] Nagek loves Jz....oh wait....nm.
[Wed Jul 05 21:24:59 2000] Kanena says, 'Lately Paw has been pretty empty.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:03 2000] Eleysian says, 'Haemish...dungeons mean lag almost regardless.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:06 2000] Citen says, 'maybe The Hole for 40+ this time'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:08 2000] Vanissa says, 'well Mistmoore was fun last time'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:10 2000] You say, 'Paw is barren... I was there last night'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:11 2000] Jzonn says, 'SolA.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:19 2000] Jzonn says, 'MM'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:22 2000] Jzonn says, 'Kedge'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:27 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'its about training, experience, comeraderie... but also dont forget loot. Unclear loot protocol will cause strife.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:31 2000] Nagek says, 'Sol A/B and MM *like Jz said* is good'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:32 2000] Kanena says, 'Blackburrow?'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:35 2000] Eleysian says, 'Kedge would be good.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:37 2000] You say, 'True Eleysian, I'm just thinking of dungeons we know are fairly crowded'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:41 2000] Shelena wants to raid Jzonns booze supply.
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:45 2000] Citen says, 'Bb is too low really'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:48 2000] Jzonn says, 'BB is a newbie hunting area.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:51 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'and BTW.. Hole is 45+.. hehe.. 40 will get slaughtered i believe'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:56 2000] Kanena says, 'Well, for newbies.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:58 2000] Citen says, 'oh..nm heh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:25:59 2000] Belce says, 'yep'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:09 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'for newbies... Befallen'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:18 2000] Ellin has defeated Desray in a duel to the death! Desray has fled like a cowardly dog!
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:21 2000] Nagek raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:21 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'great stress test place :)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:24 2000] Sertain believes paw in deep better be for higher levels.
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:25 2000] You say, 'Ok, for levels 6-15 what is best dungeon? '
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:29 2000] Kanena sighs, she has not traveled much.
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:31 2000] Jzonn says, 'Befallen.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:32 2000] Jorgurdar says, 'Befallen'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:38 2000] Citen says, 'Befallen...'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:38 2000] Belce says, 'aye'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:39 2000] Nagek says, 'sol a! heheh'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:44 2000] Vanissa says, 'crushbone but its crowded'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:47 2000] Citen says, 'just dont ask me to lead it again'
[Wed Jul 05 21:26:50 2000] Citen shivers.
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:04 2000] Kanena says, 'Crushbone has been really crowded lately.'
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:04 2000] You say, 'Ok, who will lead the hunt into Befallen :-)'
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:14 2000] Shelena Volunteers Sertain to run one of the raids
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:21 2000] Kanena laughs.
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:28 2000] Nagek raises hand.
[Wed Jul 05 21:27:34 2000] Jzonn chuckles.

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