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[Wed Dec 20 20:31:01 2000] You say, 'Welcome to the Council of Guilds
meeting.... if you would, please remove your helmet and any weapons
and refrain from casting unless you absolutely must... and keep the
drinking out until we're done as well'
[Wed Dec 20 20:31:18 2000] Dogedme says, 'Sorry '
[Wed Dec 20 20:31:31 2000] Pippi says, 'dogedme not= god'
[Wed Dec 20 20:31:32 2000] Aeschelus smiles.
[Wed Dec 20 20:31:34 2000] Pippi grins.
[Wed Dec 20 20:31:52 2000] Dogedme chuckles.
[Wed Dec 20 20:32:10 2000] Azure giggles at Acaila.
[Wed Dec 20 20:32:16 2000] You say, 'I'd like to thank you all for coming
out, we have a lower attendance than normal, I'm hopind due to the recent
server split and the holidays'
[Wed Dec 20 20:33:11 2000] You say, 'We have reps from Mist Walkers,
Seekers of Knowledge, House Marr D'Akcep, Sun Moon Sect, Haven of Light,
and Pippi as always as well as Silver Daggers'
[Wed Dec 20 20:33:13 2000] Aeschelus thanks Haemish for having us.
[Wed Dec 20 20:33:59 2000] You say, 'First order of business is the
server split.. this server lost some good people, a number of whom would
normally have been here'
[Wed Dec 20 20:34:15 2000] Dogedme mourns their loss.
[Wed Dec 20 20:34:23 2000] Pippi crosses Mooshi off her list.
[Wed Dec 20 20:34:29 2000] You say, 'But with the departures, I think
there is room for the CoG to really take the forefront for server events'
[Wed Dec 20 20:35:04 2000] You say, 'We're about 2 months away from
being a year old organization, and we've accomplished some really nice
things on this server'
[Wed Dec 20 20:35:37 2000] You say, 'Guildwars, Walking Tours of Antonica,
Tournaments, Chess Games with Real People Pieces'
[Wed Dec 20 20:35:54 2000] Pippi says, 'wow, nice job running it for
a year, haemish )'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:09 2000] You say, 'And something most thought we couldn't
do, plane raids and successful dragon raids, opening an avenue to these
events for those who aren't in large guilds or ANY guild'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:10 2000] Merkee gives a round of applause.
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:11 2000] Dogedme says, 'Aye.. well done!'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:26 2000] You say, 'I just call the meetin's... you
guys do the hard part'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:33 2000] Edina applauds Haemish.
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:45 2000] Minkey says, 'cog is the best thing since
sliced bread'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:54 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Your humilty speaks well
of you'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:58 2000] You say, 'The Council would be nothing without
the people who've helped the events go off'
[Wed Dec 20 20:36:59 2000] Pippi remembers some barbarian warrior running
a newbie tournament..
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:10 2000] Dogedme looks sceptical at the thought of
slicing bread.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:20 2000] Pippi says, 'LOL'
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:28 2000] Pippi agrees with Dogedme.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:28 2000] Edina thinks sharp objects should be kept
from Dogedme.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:30 2000] You say, 'You mean you slice bread? I thought
you just chewed pieces off of it'
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:38 2000] Dogedme grins evilly.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:50 2000] Pippi chuckles.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:50 2000] You laugh.
[Wed Dec 20 20:37:51 2000] Dogedme nods at Haemish.
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:11 2000] You say, 'But for the future, I think we
can do even better things'
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:30 2000] You say, 'We've already taken down Nagafen
twice, once when led by Jzonn, and once when led by Ameron and Balendin'
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:32 2000] Pippi says, 'Club Monaco warehouse sales!'
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:35 2000] Pippi says, 'oops'
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:40 2000] Dogedme says, 'Lol!'
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:44 2000] Edina laughs.
[Wed Dec 20 20:38:50 2000] You say, 'Heheheh ;)'
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:15 2000] Pippi is sorry and will behave now.
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:25 2000] You say, 'We have not yet taken down Vox,
and that's one of the next things I think our groups should go for'
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:53 2000] Belce says, 'hello everyone'
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:53 2000] You say, 'Welcome Brother Belce'
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:54 2000] You snap to attention and salute Belce crisply.
[Wed Dec 20 20:39:57 2000] Pippi says, 'hey belce )'
[Wed Dec 20 20:40:04 2000] Dogedme says, 'Hiya Belce :)'
[Wed Dec 20 20:40:07 2000] Minkey says, 'howdy belce'
[Wed Dec 20 20:40:20 2000] You say, 'Nae just the ones who came to the
meetin' tonight'
[Wed Dec 20 20:41:00 2000] You say, 'Vox is definitely one of the targets
we need to get to next... and Zellex has said he wants to take the CoG
to the God Rotation'
[Wed Dec 20 20:41:28 2000] Dogedme says, 'Organization will be a nightmare
for that one'
[Wed Dec 20 20:41:34 2000] You say, 'He also has a Plane of Hate run
scheduled for Sunday morning'
[Wed Dec 20 20:41:45 2000] You say, 'So have yer members sign up for
it soon'
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:03 2000] You say, 'Aye organizing the god rotation
will be tough.... I think he can do it though'
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:18 2000] Dogedme nods at Haemish.
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:23 2000] Pippi says, 'crazy, but good monk )'
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:36 2000] Minkey says, 'christmas eve is a hard time
to do a plane run'
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:39 2000] Merkee says, 'I read that posting and sounded
like I was out classed because I have never attended one'
[Wed Dec 20 20:42:40 2000] You say, 'It might actually be easier than
the dragons, as he'll have two days to organize a run instead of 1'
[Wed Dec 20 20:43:02 2000] You say, 'Actually Merkee, these are great
if you haven't attended one.. you have to learn somehow'
[Wed Dec 20 20:43:42 2000] Dogedme says, 'True... coordinating the run
in is the hard part, though... Zellex can do it, I think... though a
little help from others of us sure wouldn't hurt'
[Wed Dec 20 20:43:42 2000] You say, 'Zellex tries to schedule these
twice a month when he can'
[Wed Dec 20 20:43:56 2000] Merkee says, 'I would like to know how the
list works and who has a better chance of selection'
[Wed Dec 20 20:44:19 2000] Minkey says, 'you know, that last fear raid
messed up because everyone zoned in at once, should that be happeneing
or should zoning be intermitten?'
[Wed Dec 20 20:44:24 2000] You say, 'It's first come first serve Merkee...
except that if you sign up and aren't taken on this one, you'll have
priority for the next one'
[Wed Dec 20 20:44:33 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I've been on one Zellex
Fear raid.. and it was extremely well done'
[Wed Dec 20 20:45:09 2000] You say, 'Not sure about the zoning issue
Minkey, not having been myself'
[Wed Dec 20 20:45:10 2000] Belce says, 'the last Fear raid was the only
unsuccessful run we have had on the planes to date'
[Wed Dec 20 20:45:50 2000] You say, 'I know that it's usual to send
waves in instead of the whole shebang, or at least that's a tactice
I've heard'
[Wed Dec 20 20:45:51 2000] Minkey says, 'just for future reference I
was just wondering is zoning should be done that way or differently'
[Wed Dec 20 20:46:20 2000] Aeschelus says, 'It really depends on the
organizer.. typically its waves.. then get to the camp and log in as
an alt'
[Wed Dec 20 20:46:23 2000] You say, 'Those of you who are planes experienced
might be able to shed some light on that?'
[Wed Dec 20 20:46:26 2000] Belce says, 'Zellex will have learned from
that one as well'
[Wed Dec 20 20:46:49 2000] Pippi says, 'aye, it is the decision of the
raid organizer/leader'
[Wed Dec 20 20:47:06 2000] Minkey says, 'first time I went was intermitten
and it was much more successful, the last time everyone went LD'
[Wed Dec 20 20:48:32 2000] You say, 'Zellex might actually be here fer
a few moments if he can... he's waitin' on reinforcements for the PoF'
[Wed Dec 20 20:48:46 2000] Dogedme decides his magic just don't cut
it and sits back down.
[Wed Dec 20 20:48:57 2000] Pippi says, 'heh )'
[Wed Dec 20 20:48:59 2000] You say, 'I want to bring up an issue that
I've brought up on the forum before and talk about it'
[Wed Dec 20 20:49:54 2000] You say, 'I've recently become of the mind
that while we need to continue the CoG raids as we've been doing, I
think it would be really helpful to some of the "larger" small guilds
to band togehter into alliances in order to do the planes and dragons'
[Wed Dec 20 20:50:37 2000] Pippi says, 'aye'
[Wed Dec 20 20:50:40 2000] You say, 'For instance, the Daggers and their
allies have gotten together, including the Seekers of Knowledge, Storm's
Justice and Illuminatus, into the Sacred Band, an alliance to do just
that'
[Wed Dec 20 20:50:52 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I read that post on your
site and I agree.. more formalized frienships within the CoG.. I just
fear that inadvertantly that might lead to some exclusion that we should
just be aware of'
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:19 2000] Pippi nods.
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:22 2000] You say, 'We aren't ready yet to do the targets
by ourselves, and I think what the alliances can do to help those who
aren't able to get in these alliances....'
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:32 2000] Dogedme says, 'I share Aeschelus's concerns...
we need to be aware of that'
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:44 2000] Minkey says, 'Since the larger guilds are
pretty mucht he ones that support the smaller ones, thatll just leave
out smaller guild from going on raids'
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:45 2000] You say, 'Is we can do much as Zellex has
done, in that we HOST CoG planes raids'
[Wed Dec 20 20:51:50 2000] Belce says, 'Sacred Band will be able to
include people from outside its group, same with other such groups'
[Wed Dec 20 20:52:05 2000] Dogedme nods at Haemish.
[Wed Dec 20 20:52:11 2000] You say, 'And Host CoG dragon raids, so that
those smaller guilds will still have an avenue for these type of things'
[Wed Dec 20 20:52:39 2000] You say, 'Basically, the CoG has a regular
schedule of raids, hosted by a rotating set of alliances'
[Wed Dec 20 20:52:49 2000] Minkey says, 'I dont see any reason why these
alliances would want to give up oppurtunities on raids to support smaller
guilds anymore'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:02 2000] Pippi says, 'yea, that was what I was worried
about, too'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:05 2000] Edina says, 'If I may ask a question...what
is the difference between CoG's formation and an alliance?'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:16 2000] You say, 'Minkey, I can't speak for anyone
else, but I'd do it in a heartbeat to make sure the CoG is still a viable
platform for this sort of thing'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:17 2000] Pippi says, 'a lot of the existing alliances
don't like to help those outside the alliance'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:18 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I dont think that would
be intentional, Minkey.. but it could be an inadvetant result'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:42 2000] You say, 'Edina you bring up a valid point..
let me explain'
[Wed Dec 20 20:53:59 2000] Belce says, 'It certainly depends on those
that make up such an alliance'
[Wed Dec 20 20:54:04 2000] You say, 'Right now, every CoG big event
has a different set of people attending... never the same lineup because
it's all from signups'
[Wed Dec 20 20:54:09 2000] Pippi nods at Belce.
[Wed Dec 20 20:54:09 2000] Minkey says, 'It would seems and an alliance
of a couple medium guilds would just be the same as a NC or GH. And
they certainly dont bother about the smaller guilds'
[Wed Dec 20 20:54:32 2000] Aeschelus says, 'The difference is though,
Minkey that they come from this group'
[Wed Dec 20 20:54:50 2000] Belce says, 'good point Aes'
[Wed Dec 20 20:55:01 2000] Minkey says, 'A self supporting collaboration
wouldnt need the group though'
[Wed Dec 20 20:55:05 2000] You say, 'I think that while it isn't an
across the board feeling, most of the Active CoG guilds feel the same
way that I do.... they would give up some spots on a raid to help the
server'
[Wed Dec 20 20:55:12 2000] Aeschelus says, 'But I agree its something
we need to be aware of so as not to alienate'
[Wed Dec 20 20:55:32 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Agreed.. '
[Wed Dec 20 20:55:52 2000] You say, 'Well, I think that in order to
make it a CoG hosted Plane Raid or Dragon run, you'd have to have a
certain amount of slots available for open signups'
[Wed Dec 20 20:56:08 2000] Belce says, 'Sacred Band is not a self supporting
group though, we need others atill'
[Wed Dec 20 20:56:19 2000] You say, 'Aye we do'
[Wed Dec 20 20:56:24 2000] You say, 'Dogedme you had a point? '
[Wed Dec 20 20:56:47 2000] Minkey says, 'whats sacred band?'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:00 2000] Dogedme says, 'Yes... regarding Minkey's
concern, which is valid.... guilds within CoG are certainly welcome
to form their own alliances.....'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:06 2000] Belce says, 'oh the name we have given this
alliance'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:13 2000] Dogedme says, 'And to take the large targets
on their own.... however...'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:22 2000] You say, 'Sacred Band is an alliance of the
Silver Dagers, Seekers of Knowledge, Illuminatus and Storm's Justice'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:24 2000] Pippi says, 'alliance not= cog'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:44 2000] Dogedme says, 'By doing so, they make themselves
inelligible for CoG raids... those are the KGC rules and we've agreed
to abide by them.'
[Wed Dec 20 20:57:55 2000] Minkey says, 'now lets say sacared band is
large enough to do anything, then why support cog? (except that haemish
started it ;))'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:13 2000] Pippi says, 'because some people actually
care about the server community, minkey )'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:19 2000] You say, 'Minkey, I'd think enlightened self-interest'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:20 2000] Belce says, 'only raids for gods and dragons
apply that rule'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:24 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Is it a correct understanding
that CoG is simply a frienship of guilds with similar aims/interests
to promote better continuity on the server and an alliance within is
simply a formal pact between those guilds '
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:33 2000] You say, 'Aye planes raids don't apply that
rule Dog'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:50 2000] Dogedme says, 'Right.. but the dragons still
do'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:52 2000] Pippi says, 'aye, aeschelus, sounds about
right'
[Wed Dec 20 20:58:54 2000] You say, 'Aye Aeschelus you hit it right
on the head.... the CoG is not an alliance'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:06 2000] Minkey says, 'Maybe Cog itself can be an
alliance of guilds. That have stricter rules'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:13 2000] Pippi says, 'emphasis on server '
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:23 2000] Dogedme says, 'I'd not be in favor of that,
Minkey'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:27 2000] Belce says, 'it was never formed with that
intention'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:31 2000] Edina says, 'Is it "rules" that make an Alliance?'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:34 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I think that would hinder
the individual guilds.. CoG has done great for a year as is'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:36 2000] Pippi says, 'aye'
[Wed Dec 20 20:59:46 2000] You say, 'I would also not be in favor of
making CoG a formal alliance per se'
[Wed Dec 20 21:00:01 2000] Pippi says, 'I think the CoG should not deal
with all the administrative stuff alliances deal with'
[Wed Dec 20 21:00:02 2000] Minkey says, 'I think that rules would make
a standrad and make people have more then a casual interest in CoG'
[Wed Dec 20 21:00:05 2000] Edina says, 'Why is that, Haeimish?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:00:51 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I believe that this group
has survived based on its good and pure intentions for over 1 year..
and to legislate those intentions would be a contradiction.. '
[Wed Dec 20 21:00:58 2000] You say, 'Well, I think that when you start
trying to set up rules for things, you put yourself in the position
of legislating things'
[Wed Dec 20 21:01:09 2000] Edina nods.
[Wed Dec 20 21:01:32 2000] Pippi says, 'for me, this council is all
about inclusion of everyone on the server, not exclusion based on who
is in the 'list' '
[Wed Dec 20 21:01:44 2000] Dogedme says, 'And those who only take a
casual interest are a big part of CoG.. all are welcome to participate
as much or as little as they want.. I like that fact about CoG'
[Wed Dec 20 21:01:49 2000] You say, 'And when you legislate things,
people who do not follow your rules will oppose you.... i.e. if CoG
suddenly says Kill Stealing is illegal on this server and the CoG will
not have it.. what will that do? '
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:01 2000] Minkey says, 'I think that the CoG is more
of a mercenary list and doesnt build strong friendships. But if it was
an alliance then it would foster stronger relations between people who
are part of it'
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:21 2000] Pippi says, 'but an alliance by default excludes
people'
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:25 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Minkey, have you been with
the CoG long? '
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:29 2000] Edina says, 'I understand now. Thank you
for explaining :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:30 2000] Minkey says, 'As is, people who go on raids
dont know each other and probably hardly party outside of a scheduled
event'
[Wed Dec 20 21:02:40 2000] You say, 'That's true Minkey'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:03 2000] You say, 'Let me make a break in this section
fer a second.. can anyone TP Zellex from FV? Cos they are bound there?
'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:19 2000] Pippi says, 'I can make the run'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:19 2000] Minkey says, 'I havent been in the CoG that
long, few months maybe?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:22 2000] Belce says, 'A good point Minkey, but I think
what we do is bring like minded people together, hopefully to explore
relationships with the guilds/individuals they enconter'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:32 2000] Dogedme says, 'Argh.. I'm bound in SoV :('
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:37 2000] You say, 'Actually Pippi, can you pick up
Milriu in Southern Ro? '
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:44 2000] Pippi says, 'sure'
[Wed Dec 20 21:03:54 2000] Pippi says, 'zellex, then milriu?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:04 2000] Pippi says, 'oh, nm, he's still in fear )'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:15 2000] Dogedme says, 'I can take one or the other
if needed, Pip'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:18 2000] You say, 'Milriu is Zellex. He'll be at th
S Ro Druid ring'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:24 2000] Pippi says, 'ah, k'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:32 2000] Minkey says, 'Well, maybe to foster better
relations you can have smaller events scheduled but more often? So people
interested in doing events with others can keep in touch consistently?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:35 2000] Pippi says, 'looks like I'm ok, doged, thanks
)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:40 2000] You say, 'Minkey I don't think your idea
is a bad one, and I see the merits in it'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:44 2000] Dogedme says, 'Okies :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:04:51 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I think that this group
is strong because of the pure and good intentions that brought the group
together.. and if we legislate more formal rules here, we will see less
cooperation.. The people in this organization demonstrate that intention
just by '
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:01 2000] Aeschelus says, 'being here.. '
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:03 2000] Belce says, 'more CoG events would be good,
'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:13 2000] You say, 'More CoG events would be very good'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:27 2000] Minkey says, 'I think the principal of freely
inviiting anyone, guild or guildless, is plenty incentive'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:29 2000] You say, 'The problem I've run into is that
you have to have someone run them'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:36 2000] Dogedme says, 'I had intended suggesting
a stronger schedule of mixer hunts at this meeting :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:49 2000] Pippi says, 'yea, one every week ;)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:53 2000] Belce says, 'maybe a monthly?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:55 2000] You say, 'And a good suggestion Dog :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:05:57 2000] Dogedme says, 'All run by Pippi :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:01 2000] Pippi says, 'eeek'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:01 2000] Minkey says, 'heh'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:03 2000] You say, 'Heheheh'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:19 2000] You say, 'I think the biggest problem we've
had with having more events is getting people to run them'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:20 2000] Minkey says, 'I thought the mixers you had
were grat'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:22 2000] Belce says, 'aye we can calll it the Pippi
Raids'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:23 2000] Pippi shoots a troublesome glance at Dogedme.
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:30 2000] Dogedme chuckles.
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:31 2000] Aeschelus says, 'lol'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:47 2000] Minkey says, 'you can have smaller raids
with just one or two groups going into sebilis or karnor things like
that'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:54 2000] Belce says, 'I stand to second Doged's proposal'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:54 2000] You say, 'Despite the successful mixers we've
had, I can never seem to get anyone under 25 to run a mixer :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:06:55 2000] Pippi says, 'brb'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:00 2000] Pippi says, 'no!'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:00 2000] Edina says, 'I have seen legislation in another
alliance and it causes so much friction. Also a set of "unwritten rules"
that go along with it. It's very hard to maintain continuity that way.
That is just my opinion.'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:05 2000] Minkey says, 'but the think about CoG is
that since no one really knows each other, its hard to get back up if
everyone dies'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:31 2000] You say, 'Heheh I remember you helping out
a great deal at the last mixer Minkey :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:40 2000] Belce says, 'well the corpses there help
)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:45 2000] Minkey says, 'I think CoG has great loot
rules, and then lay down some common sense etiquette rules'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:52 2000] Minkey says, 'Hail'
[Wed Dec 20 21:07:56 2000] Minkey says, 'I loved helpin out'
[Wed Dec 20 21:08:13 2000] Minkey says, 'Palanka is almost 41, shes
got exp res and would love to help out too.'
[Wed Dec 20 21:08:31 2000] Dogedme says, 'Actually we have no loot rules...
only suggestions, if I understand it correctly'
[Wed Dec 20 21:08:39 2000] You say, 'The one thing the Mixer Hunts are
meant to teach is the discipline needed to do dragon raids and plane
raids and the corpse recovery that goes with them'
[Wed Dec 20 21:08:43 2000] Minkey says, 'I meant how its set up for
the planes'
[Wed Dec 20 21:09:07 2000] Minkey says, 'Which is how must groups work
when you party with strangers that go need before greed'
[Wed Dec 20 21:09:09 2000] You say, 'And those loot rules actually are
used on all our hunt type of events'
[Wed Dec 20 21:09:27 2000] Minkey says, 'not like a point system EW
uses heh'
[Wed Dec 20 21:09:29 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Zellex does a great job
at outlining loot rules prior to the raid'
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:11 2000] You say, 'I think what I'm hearing here is
that most of us don't really think more legislation would help'
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:11 2000] Dogedme says, 'And they're good rules, too..
which is why most of the raid leaders adopt the same rules on their
raids :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:27 2000] You say, 'BUT I do hear that we want more
events'
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:41 2000] Minkey says, 'oh yes'
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:46 2000] Minkey beams a smile at Haemish.
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:48 2000] Dogedme nods.
[Wed Dec 20 21:10:55 2000] You say, 'And I completely agree'
[Wed Dec 20 21:11:26 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Although I could not attend..
i heard about your event you planned in Oasis.. I think more of that
would be great'
[Wed Dec 20 21:11:29 2000] You say, 'I think that after the holidays
are over, we should get our guilds to try to host more events'
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:09 2000] You say, 'One thing to make sure to communicate
to your members... if any of them, whether leader officer or just member
wants to get the CoG help in running or hosting an event.....'
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:15 2000] You say, 'Post to the forum and ask for help'
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:30 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Ok we'll pass that on to
House Marr'
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:31 2000] You say, 'I'm sure we all have members who'd
love to do some dungeons with a bunch of people'
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:44 2000] You say, 'You had a question Edina? '
[Wed Dec 20 21:12:58 2000] Minkey says, 'Lemme tell you about my guild,
its really not one. There 3 active members, all pretty high. id love
to help host/lead but not much we can do'
[Wed Dec 20 21:13:19 2000] Edina says, 'Yes, as far as asking for help
from CoG...many people are needing help with their FA quests now. Would
that be appropriate to ask for help from CoG'
[Wed Dec 20 21:13:26 2000] You say, 'Sure would'
[Wed Dec 20 21:13:42 2000] Edina says, 'Good, thank you :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:13:49 2000] Belce says, 'some of the encounters may be
beyond what we can do though'
[Wed Dec 20 21:13:53 2000] You say, 'Long as no one is excluded and
the loot rules follow the general guidelines we always use, I'd say
ask away :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:14:29 2000] Edina says, 'Well, usually its to benefit
one person as far as loot goes because it's for their quest'
[Wed Dec 20 21:14:37 2000] You say, 'For instance, the Soulfire quest...
let's say you have a paladin in need of Soulfire and can't muster enough
to kill Lucan'
[Wed Dec 20 21:14:46 2000] Belce says, 'hmm helpin with a quest though
implies that certain people are there for that next component though
Haemish'
[Wed Dec 20 21:14:50 2000] Edina says, 'But in that case, we would all
help each other as needed.'
[Wed Dec 20 21:15:08 2000] You say, 'You post to the forum saying that
you'd like help in gettin' so and so his Soulfire'
[Wed Dec 20 21:15:30 2000] You say, 'I think that Loot Rules aren't
really set in stone, but if they differ from what the CoG usually uses
they should be stated up front'
[Wed Dec 20 21:15:32 2000] Aeschelus says, 'It will be well remembered
who helped obtain that quest componenet and favors will be returned,
happily'
[Wed Dec 20 21:16:00 2000] You say, 'That way anyone who helps knows
what to expect'
[Wed Dec 20 21:16:05 2000] Edina says, 'Correct'
[Wed Dec 20 21:16:47 2000] You say, 'But for another example, let's
say that you have someone who is 20th level'
[Wed Dec 20 21:17:01 2000] Aeschelus says, 'Minkey/Edina in cases of
which you've spoken, House Marr would gladly assist if ample notice
is given'
[Wed Dec 20 21:17:03 2000] You say, 'He'd like to explore Runnyeye to
the depths'
[Wed Dec 20 21:17:13 2000] Belce says, 'So it is understood then that
CoG can be used for a means to complete quests, when stated beforehand'
[Wed Dec 20 21:17:19 2000] Edina says, 'thank you Aeschelus :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:17:27 2000] Aeschelus smiles.
[Wed Dec 20 21:18:01 2000] You say, 'That 20th level member can come
to the CoG board and organize a raid there, calling for signups....
AND use the CoG submit a press release form to announce it to the news
sites'
[Wed Dec 20 21:18:57 2000] You say, 'I think it's really important that
your members know that the CoG is not just for high level raids, but
all levels'
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:10 2000] Edina nods.
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:14 2000] Dogedme says, 'What he's saying is that the
CoG can be used to organize ANY event.. quest or otherwise... just be
up front about the rules for your event when you post it :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:18 2000] Azure agrees with everyone around her.
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:25 2000] Haemish nods at Dogedme.
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:45 2000] You say, 'Now about the alliances I mentioned'
[Wed Dec 20 21:19:59 2000] Azure says, 'my guild is lvl 34 and lower
, that is good to know'
[Wed Dec 20 21:20:16 2000] You say, 'The CoG won't be abandoning the
platform for dragon and planes raids, but I think the alliances would
help out the individual guilds a lot'
[Wed Dec 20 21:21:06 2000] You say, 'As long as the alliances remember
that the CoG needs the help too :)'
[Wed Dec 20 21:21:14 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I think that if we all agree
to make a conscience effort to make sure slots are available for smaller
guilds, that will work out great'
[Wed Dec 20 21:21:51 2000] Minkey says, 'how about making some sort
of rotation/routine that guartees alliances make spots for cog?'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:12 2000] Minkey says, 'like week 1 is given up by
X, week 2 by Y, 3 by Z etc'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:19 2000] You say, 'Well, I think that once we see
alliances start forming, those alliances will be given the next "spot"
for the CoG raids'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:36 2000] Edina welcomes Pippi warmly.
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:39 2000] Pippi says, 'lo'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:41 2000] Aeschelus says, 'I look at it this way..
House Marr does not view the strenght of frienship by number but by
honor and loyalty.. if your guild is looking for friendship, talk with
us, Minkey'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:44 2000] Belce says, 'wb Pippi'
[Wed Dec 20 21:22:55 2000] Dogedme says, 'We may need to get a better
snapshot of where we are before we'll know what we're looking at for
potential numbers of alliances'
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