[Wed Feb 07 21:37:08 2001] You tell your party, 'quick intro?'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:17 2001] Haemish tells the group, 'Aye for the audience :)'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:21 2001] Guinness tells the group, 'heh'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:24 2001] You tell your party, 'just introduce yerself, which guild yer in, yer exp in raids, etc.'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:25 2001] Dogedme tells the group, 'hehe'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:26 2001] You tell your party, 'lol'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:52 2001] You tell your party, 'ok, counter clockwise, starting with guinness'
[Wed Feb 07 21:37:57 2001] Guinness tells the group, 'Guinness - The Haven - Alliance of Valiant Blades - Main lurer (playing hookie tonight)'
[Wed Feb 07 21:38:17 2001] You tell your party, 'thanks ) next?'
[Wed Feb 07 21:38:28 2001] Haemish tells the group, 'Haemish - The Silver Daggers - Sacred Band Alliance - Led many raids, including Vox raid :)'
[Wed Feb 07 21:38:55 2001] You say, 'can you type yet, lag? )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:38:59 2001] Ravenlark tells the group, 'this is Lagdalen, just easier to bring Raven. Flarren is watching over my shoulder too'
[Wed Feb 07 21:39:14 2001] You tell your party, 'guild and exp with raids?'
[Wed Feb 07 21:39:22 2001] You tell your party, 'and raid leading?'
[Wed Feb 07 21:40:06 2001] Ravenlark tells the group, 'Fellowship of Faydark - 1 vox kill, 1 naggy kill, 3 fear, 2 hate, 2 pog, numerous guild events'
[Wed Feb 07 21:40:23 2001] Dogedme tells the group, 'Dogedme - Seekers of Knowledge and Sacred Band - led Kaesora, Kedge, Mistmoore and a few others, and attended many more :) No planes yet though!'
[Wed Feb 07 21:40:34 2001] Given tells the group, 'Steelheart - Avenging Crusaders - lots of raids. lost count. haven't run any, have been on Management teams, as loot master and monk Trainer in Hate.'
[Wed Feb 07 21:40:56 2001] Ravenlark tells the group, 'um, I need to go and grab someone who is very interested in coming..'
[Wed Feb 07 21:41:26 2001] You say, 'Pippi, ran a couple of raids, but more interested in running unusual stuff'
[Wed Feb 07 21:41:43 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I'll be back asap with him'
[Wed Feb 07 21:41:46 2001] You say, 'oki'
[Wed Feb 07 21:41:59 2001] You tell your party, 'going over the overall rules'
[Wed Feb 07 21:42:47 2001] You say, 'this roundtable is NOT about specific raid strategies, that is, how to defeat certain targets or how to break planes'
[Wed Feb 07 21:42:50 2001] Guinness tells the group, 'oh oops. raid experience - Plane of Air, Fear, Hate, Growth. Naggy / Vox / Phin.'
[Wed Feb 07 21:43:12 2001] You say, 'heh, belce on his way and lag's friend, guess I'm going to wait a bit )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:43:20 2001] You say, 'feel free to get drunk and chat )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:44:41 2001] You tell your party, 'I want the others to hear it too )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:53:52 2001] Ravenlark hugs Talovar.
[Wed Feb 07 21:53:52 2001] Haemish says, 'Evenin' Talovar'
[Wed Feb 07 21:53:59 2001] Talovar says, 'Ah - I apologize for my tardiness...'
[Wed Feb 07 21:53:59 2001] You say, 'hello talovar )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:08 2001] Dogedme says, 'Hello Talovar :)'
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:09 2001] Talovar says, 'I need better drums. ; )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:10 2001] Guinness says, 'Evenin' '
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:11 2001] Ravenlark makes a spot for Talovar.
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:20 2001] You say, 'alrighty, we better start'
[Wed Feb 07 21:54:21 2001] Talovar says, 'Oh well thanks )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:59:22 2001] You say, 'k, thanks for coming )'
[Wed Feb 07 21:59:32 2001] You say, 'just some quick and dirty before we start'
[Wed Feb 07 21:59:49 2001] You say, 'this roundtable is not about strategies on how to defeat certain mobs or planes'
[Wed Feb 07 22:00:20 2001] You say, 'I am hoping this will be used as a general discussion on how to improve raid leading overall'
[Wed Feb 07 22:00:32 2001] You say, 'use examples when you can to illustrate a point'
[Wed Feb 07 22:00:48 2001] You say, 'reflect and point out both advantages and weaknesses in your approach'
[Wed Feb 07 22:01:00 2001] You say, 'do NOT put down other people's ideas or views'
[Wed Feb 07 22:01:26 2001] You say, 'constructive criticism and fair opinion is great, but no "your idea stinks!"'
[Wed Feb 07 22:01:58 2001] You say, 'this is NOT a debate on what is the perfect raid leading strategy'
[Wed Feb 07 22:02:15 2001] You say, 'I'll give everyone about 2 minutes to answer'
[Wed Feb 07 22:02:19 2001] You say, 'on each question'
[Wed Feb 07 22:02:37 2001] You say, 'and have 10 minutes afterwards for wrap up comments'
[Wed Feb 07 22:02:47 2001] You say, 'sounds ok and any suggestions to the format?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:02:53 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yes'
[Wed Feb 07 22:03:03 2001] You say, 'go ahead? )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:03:16 2001] Talovar says, 'Sounds fine here.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:03:19 2001] Dogedme says, 'How will you handle questions regarding someone's answer? That should wait till the ending 10 mins?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:03:27 2001] You say, 'yup'
[Wed Feb 07 22:03:36 2001] Dogedme says, 'k'
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:22 2001] You say, 'ok, let's start )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:28 2001] Haemish says, 'Ready when ye are Pippi'
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:37 2001] You say, 'first set of questions about about before the raid...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:40 2001] Ravenlark is all ears.
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:45 2001] You say, 'starting with guinness'
[Wed Feb 07 22:04:55 2001] You say, '1. What is your policy on inviting outsiders to guild events?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:05:39 2001] Guinness says, 'Normally since we have such a large group of people going, we ask any outsiders be signed up and approved ahead of time. If seen that we're deficient in one particular needed class (cleric, ench, etc) we might be a little more lenient.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:05:54 2001] You say, '1 min left )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:06 2001] You say, 'if yer done, just say 'pass' or something )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:11 2001] Guinness says, 'fin )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:21 2001] Haemish says, 'Goin' counterclockwise? '
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:27 2001] You say, 'aye, this question'
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:36 2001] You say, 'also, think about your non-planar raids'
[Wed Feb 07 22:06:59 2001] Haemish says, 'Well fer the Daggers, outsiders are welcome, especially allied guilds.... for raids especially unless we just don't have room, we don't mind outsiders at all'
[Wed Feb 07 22:07:32 2001] Haemish says, 'The only exception is someone who we don't think is a good raider.. someone we think will get us killed'
[Wed Feb 07 22:07:44 2001] Haemish says, 'Done :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:08:13 2001] You say, 'hm, I feel like I should have given you a pipe to pass around )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:08:28 2001] Guinness says, 'then we'd all forget the question )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:08:29 2001] Haemish says, 'Pass that knowledge blunt there Pip!'
[Wed Feb 07 22:08:37 2001] You say, 'hehe'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:07 2001] Haemish says, 'And don't bogart that joint!'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:23 2001] Belce says, 'hello'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:25 2001] You say, 'yo belce'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:28 2001] Given pokes Belce.
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:33 2001] Ravenlark waves at Belce.
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:35 2001] Talovar says, 'I think in regards to outside guests, there should be some form of consistency - to be fair.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:40 2001] Haemish says, 'Heya Belce!'
[Wed Feb 07 22:09:59 2001] Talovar says, 'If you are inviting people when you need them, but deny them a place when you have enough people in the future..'
[Wed Feb 07 22:10:10 2001] Talovar says, 'Well, personally it feels somewhat wrong.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:10:27 2001] Talovar says, 'I have had this happen in the past with many guilds, when there was a lack of high level bards for dragons.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:10:37 2001] You say, 'wait wait )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:10:44 2001] Talovar says, 'ah sorry'
[Wed Feb 07 22:10:55 2001] You say, 'tell us yer experience in how you have lead a raid and what you decided on?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:11:18 2001] Talovar says, 'Ah, alright PoG then.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:11:36 2001] Talovar says, 'When we first started out there was a incredible lack for all classes - people were afraid of the zone.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:11:57 2001] Talovar says, 'We took everyone that we could get a hold of, but after awhile the zone started getting congested.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:12:10 2001] Talovar says, 'So we had groups that we came in with, that were scheduled to be there...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:12:23 2001] Talovar says, 'And for guests, we had a limit on a list - first come first serve.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:12:36 2001] You say, 'ok thanks )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:12:41 2001] Talovar says, 'And of course, we checked with people that were helpful in the past. =)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:12:49 2001] Talovar says, 'done-'
[Wed Feb 07 22:13:17 2001] You say, 'sorry for sorta jumping in there, talovar ) just want to make sure we get all the info )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:13:41 2001] Talovar says, 'Ah no worries, sometimes I go off on tangents and don't really answer the question at hand. 8)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:14:00 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I held a couple little teensy raids when I was in Forgotten Masters, we took a certain amount of people pre decided on. Guest should be welcome but not outnumber the guild hosting it if you have enough to fill your primary slots'
[Wed Feb 07 22:14:32 2001] Ravenlark says, 'if the person is a visual detriment though they aren't asked back'
[Wed Feb 07 22:14:42 2001] Ravenlark says, 'next'
[Wed Feb 07 22:15:35 2001] Dogedme says, 'All my raids are open to at least any ally, and to any guest invited by a guildmate or ally. Guests are included in any loot rolls they qualify for, and I do expect them to follow our rules, and monitor their behavior while they're with us....'
[Wed Feb 07 22:16:23 2001] Dogedme says, '..other than that, I've yet to turn anyone away that wanted to participate. I try to stay focused on including as many people as possible so long as the circumstances allow it.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:16:32 2001] Dogedme says, 'Done :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:16:55 2001] Given says, 'AC in past, basically tried to have quests post on our Forum. what normally happened is people, friends and so on get invited or show up. I think the officers that ran the raids would pick the classes they need, picking members first. '
[Wed Feb 07 22:17:27 2001] Given says, 'At present time i would be happy if we had the numbers to pull off even a small Raid. <sigh>'
[Wed Feb 07 22:17:39 2001] Given says, 'done.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:17:45 2001] Haemish says, 'Hey yer members helped us with teh Vox Raid :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:17:51 2001] Belce says, 'the question is?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:18:05 2001] You say, 'what is your policy on inviting outsiders to guild events?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:18:10 2001] Belce says, 'oki'
[Wed Feb 07 22:18:44 2001] You say, 'want to answer or pass on this one for now? )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:18:59 2001] Talovar says, 'Since we're having a meeting at the moment, another time is fine - we'll just keep you updated.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:19:03 2001] Belce says, 'the raids I have led have been like Doged's they are CoG riads or raids within the guilds we are close to. I have alwasy excepted guests to those'
[Wed Feb 07 22:19:19 2001] Belce says, 'accepted err'
[Wed Feb 07 22:20:02 2001] Belce says, 'I am kind of jealous of groups that can build a raid from people to make sure they have all they need'
[Wed Feb 07 22:20:33 2001] Belce says, 'we get to do raids like Vox with 2 clerics for instance'
[Wed Feb 07 22:21:26 2001] Belce says, 'but overall I like having an open door policy to our raids '
[Wed Feb 07 22:21:30 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 22:22:03 2001] You say, 'ok, opening this question up to comments and rants'
[Wed Feb 07 22:22:14 2001] Given says, 'i think it a member on the vox raid. as it is now we are basically a filling guild. until we can work ourselves back up. Don't even really have anyone to run raids.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:22:51 2001] Haemish says, 'One thing Dogedme said I want to back up... we also always allow even guests to roll on any items we get.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:22:57 2001] Dogedme says, 'As regards killing Vox with only 2 clerics... I look at that as a plus, not a bad thing :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:08 2001] Haemish says, 'Actually we had 3 clerics'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:12 2001] Haemish says, 'One came in late :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:13 2001] Ravenlark says, 'a raid can be run with only a small amout of people and you can fill in the raiders with guests'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:17 2001] Dogedme says, 'hehe Okay'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:28 2001] Haemish says, 'Only 1 bard though'
[Wed Feb 07 22:23:53 2001] Belce says, 'I met that as it being a challenge for the number of clerics and less than ideal'
[Wed Feb 07 22:24:00 2001] Dogedme says, 'True... only takes one to run a CoG raid, Steel... use your guild as the management team and fill out with guests :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:24:15 2001] Haemish says, 'Aye Given... the CoG is great fer taht'
[Wed Feb 07 22:24:26 2001] You say, 'hm, ok, I don't see a lot of disagreements here, so moving on )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:24:59 2001] You say, 'question 2, this time starting from the left (Belce), going clockwise'
[Wed Feb 07 22:25:00 2001] Ravenlark says, 'a few of us in Fellowship are trying to find a night we can se up a raid, we'd need to use CoG as the raiders but we have enough for the management'
[Wed Feb 07 22:25:26 2001] You say, '2. How does your guild handle events, that is who can sponsor/run/host a guild eent?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:25:29 2001] You say, 'err event, sorry'
[Wed Feb 07 22:25:59 2001] You say, 'this also means how do events get started/suggested'
[Wed Feb 07 22:26:16 2001] You say, 'which events are carried out and how'
[Wed Feb 07 22:27:06 2001] Belce says, 'with my guild we try to encourage all our members to run events, it helps for them to understand how to behave on other's events. The event would of course have to approppriate for the member to do.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:28:12 2001] Belce says, 'and how we encourage them is to tell them, "Good idea why don't you post it and get one started." then they take it from there. People that have done it before will help with some details.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:28:53 2001] Belce says, 'An example of that with us id the events that Cheweintar and Kaltor have done for us'
[Wed Feb 07 22:29:04 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 22:30:43 2001] You say, 'given?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:31:13 2001] Given says, 'humm. AC had a number of officers that Ran all the Raids (Jzonn, Lyme, Ikada and Bamana) A raid would be posted and members would sign up and try to make it to hte staging area. We tried to Encorurge members to run raids and to take a more active roll. '
[Wed Feb 07 22:31:42 2001] Given says, 'Oh a side not that system doesn't work. you get Officers burning out.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:32:08 2001] Given says, 'and your members end out relaying on your Officers to do everything.'
hard time finding Frenzy'
[Wed Feb 07 22:33:18 2001] Given says, 'as for the ideas of the Raids it's usually a member would like to do a raid somewhere to get an item for a quest or to explore some new place.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:33:25 2001] Given says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 22:33:33 2001] Dogedme says, 'For the Seekers, any member, full or probationary, can organize and run an event and expect to have the support of the guild. Most events start as a discussion or question in guildsay, then move to the message boards...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:34:57 2001] Dogedme says, '.. and most involve getting a certain item (there's one underway being run by Larcen as we speak)... Of late, we haven't seen much in the way of events. I'm hoping that will change on it's own, but if it doesn't, we may have to do what Given just said ...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:36:05 2001] Dogedme says, '... and have the officers step up again.. at the risk of burning them out. We also run a proprietary program called SOKEQ, written by one of our members, which is our primary means of scheduling and communicating with each other. I'm trying to get us to..'
[Wed Feb 07 22:36:53 2001] Dogedme says, '..move away from that and back to the open message board, since I feel it doesn't help our alliance to not have the events planned completely in the open.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:36:59 2001] Dogedme says, 'Done.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:37:37 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I've been recently appointed the moderator on our events. I think if a lvl 10 or 20 from FoF wanted to do an event I'd be more than glad to join in with my secondary. We normally do things spurr of the moment but we're getting more scheduled now'
[Wed Feb 07 22:38:18 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I've tried a couple raids lately and we just didn;'t have the right mix (ne healer) FoF is tank heavy big time'
[Wed Feb 07 22:39:04 2001] Ravenlark says, 'far as I know anyone in FoF that wants to can run it, I'm more than happy to help em out and post it and spread word'
[Wed Feb 07 22:39:10 2001] Ravenlark says, 'next'
[Wed Feb 07 22:39:28 2001] Talovar says, 'For the safety of the members, our events in the past had been suggest by members, proposed by event coordinators, and approved by myself.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:39:58 2001] Talovar says, 'Not to deny a certain type of raid - but often at times people don't know what they are getting into, and it would require some more research, or coordination.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:40:24 2001] Talovar says, 'Unfortunatly with the Ayonae Ro split, our event coordinator moved with his girlfriend to the newer server.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:41:02 2001] Talovar says, 'Since then, we have been trying to find someone with similar energy and initiative... but it may be awhile before someone surfaces.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:41:27 2001] Talovar says, 'Otherwise, regardless of level - we are all of equal say towards event suggestions.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:41:32 2001] Talovar says, 'finished.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:41:39 2001] Haemish says, 'The Daggers have always tried to encourage anyone who wants to take the responsibility of running an event to run the event.... we'll help them in any way we can'
[Wed Feb 07 22:42:12 2001] Haemish says, 'I always felt that making only officers able to run events would make the other members feel that the officers were elite and somewhat separate'
[Wed Feb 07 22:42:14 2001] Talovar says, 'They were looking for other Velious spells I think.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:42:48 2001] Haemish says, 'One thing I instituted that I think has been really successful at getting out members together has been what I call the DotW.. Dungeon of the Week'
[Wed Feb 07 22:42:59 2001] Talovar says, 'er...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:43:34 2001] Haemish says, 'Each level range, say 10-20, 21-30, 31-40, etc.... picks a dungeon and agrees that those levels will meet at and hunt the designated dungeon or area for the weeknights of that week'
[Wed Feb 07 22:44:15 2001] Haemish says, 'And the spot is picked by the person in that level range who wants to run it.... it's really gotten our members used to hunting with each other and build fellowship.. and of course our allies have been invited to these too'
[Wed Feb 07 22:44:34 2001] Haemish says, 'Now we have members who've been in the guild just a month or two running events'
[Wed Feb 07 22:45:21 2001] Haemish says, 'And one other thing I've done is when a member wants to run an event, as guild leader, I try very hard not to "pull rank" per se, and just let that person handle the whole thing, with only minor suggestions on my part in /tells'
[Wed Feb 07 22:45:34 2001] Haemish says, 'Ok done.... '
[Wed Feb 07 22:45:41 2001] Guinness says, 'Guild - Ideas are posted in events section on boards, usually I'll then go and see where the desired area/target is and post a link or guide that may help with the details for the event. This has alleviated many questions right off the bat in thepast'
[Wed Feb 07 22:46:37 2001] Guinness says, 'We also will try to pick one designated area to hunt in for the week, sometimes this works, sometimes not. Usually pick a weekend target, everyone decides and have a big all-lvl guild romp there. Events are all posted on a calendar on site so not >'
[Wed Feb 07 22:46:43 2001] Guinness says, 'lost in a thread somewhere. '
[Wed Feb 07 22:46:45 2001] Guinness says, 'fin'
[Wed Feb 07 22:47:06 2001] You say, 'ok, opening up for comments etc'
[Wed Feb 07 22:47:46 2001] Belce says, 'What do you use for a calendar Guinness?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:47:57 2001] Haemish says, 'I think keeping the officers from HAVING to run things helps prevent burnout'
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:08 2001] Guinness says, 'Really not sure what it is, or where they got it, but it's VERY useful. I'll find out and post the info on CoG.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:08 2001] Haemish perks up at the calendar.
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:34 2001] Haemish says, 'We've had a calendar runnin' on the net, but it's been buggy... sometimes it just isn't accessible'
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:36 2001] Belce says, 'just asking cuase the 1 we use does not seem to work reliably'
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:37 2001] Dogedme says, 'I agree, Haemish... but when there's a long lag, I think the officers need to step forward and get things moving again'
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:57 2001] Belce nods at Dogedme.
[Wed Feb 07 22:48:59 2001] Haemish says, 'True the officers have to set the example and make sure it's kept up'
[Wed Feb 07 22:49:14 2001] Ravenlark says, 'depends on how many members you have, we're growing but we're still very small'
[Wed Feb 07 22:49:28 2001] Ravenlark says, 'hard to make good outings when everyone is scattered'
[Wed Feb 07 22:49:38 2001] Given says, 'have to make sure that the members don't start expecting the officers to do everything. '
[Wed Feb 07 22:49:53 2001] Dogedme says, 'As are we, Raven, and you're right... that's why I consider alliances essential for our guild :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:50:08 2001] Dogedme says, 'Aye Given... not sure how to avoid that really, though'
[Wed Feb 07 22:50:10 2001] Guinness says, 'Aye, with all the expansions I think trying to designate a general area you'll be in is good for small guilds. End up scattered to the wind and spending a large portion of night just getting together.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:50:18 2001] Haemish says, 'Alliances can help a great deal... without our first alliance with the Seekers, we wouldn't be nearly where we are now'
[Wed Feb 07 22:50:27 2001] Ravenlark says, 'we currently dont have an alliance, closest we have that I know of anyway is CoG'
[Wed Feb 07 22:51:04 2001] You say, 'ok, 1 min left on this'
[Wed Feb 07 22:51:18 2001] Given says, 'i would agree that allinaces help alot. they cut down on the burn out. '
[Wed Feb 07 22:51:31 2001] Given says, 'it doesn't help with keep the members turning into sheep. <LOL>'
[Wed Feb 07 22:51:32 2001] Guinness says, 'not neccessarily ) sometimes contribute.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:52:36 2001] You say, 'oki... next question'
[Wed Feb 07 22:52:43 2001] You say, 'starting with guinness, going counterclockwise'
[Wed Feb 07 22:52:52 2001] Belce says, 'I think that it is important for a guild to work against having its members particapate by logging in and then finding out what is happening'
[Wed Feb 07 22:53:12 2001] You say, 'ok, any comments to Belce's comment? )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:53:22 2001] Dogedme nods in agreement with Belce.
[Wed Feb 07 22:53:27 2001] Haemish says, 'That does help Belce... '
[Wed Feb 07 22:53:36 2001] Belce says, 'encourage them to use your website'
[Wed Feb 07 22:53:53 2001] Haemish says, 'Encouraging the use of a forum is a real good communication tool.. as are some fun web tools... but I'm a webmonkey so there :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:54:10 2001] You say, 'k, moving on... '
[Wed Feb 07 22:54:11 2001] Given says, 'i found alot of members didn't take the work to keep up on the guild when they were't online. it's hard to force members to read email or look at web pages.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:54:20 2001] Pippi chuckles to herself.
[Wed Feb 07 22:54:36 2001] You say, 'k, any comments to Given's comment?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:54:46 2001] Haemish says, 'There are some members who never will... ye take the ones who do and hope the others get the hint :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:55:07 2001] Dogedme chuckles at Pippi.
[Wed Feb 07 22:55:15 2001] Belce says, 'when they are not using the tool, tell them, well it was announced on the forum or that would be a good thing to bring up on the forum'
[Wed Feb 07 22:55:39 2001] You say, 'k...'
[Wed Feb 07 22:55:46 2001] You say, 'cutting this question off now )'
[Wed Feb 07 22:55:56 2001] Belce says, 'we found it helped'
[Wed Feb 07 22:56:03 2001] You say, '3. What skills do you look for in raid leaders / raid teams?'
[Wed Feb 07 22:56:16 2001] You say, 'starting with guinness'
[Wed Feb 07 22:56:42 2001] Guinness says, 'Skills ? .... Patience, Experience, Anyone that can communicate well. That's it.'
[Wed Feb 07 22:57:08 2001] Haemish says, 'Skills - Good spelling! :)'
[Wed Feb 07 22:57:35 2001] Haemish says, 'Actually an ability to communicate helps... whether you can spell or not... also the ability to multi-task'
[Wed Feb 07 22:58:09 2001] Haemish says, 'Plus courage.. not just the courage of running into a pile of mobs with 1 bubble of health, but the courage to stand up and say something'
[Wed Feb 07 22:58:27 2001] Haemish says, 'Whether someone will disagree with it or not... just to talk'
[Wed Feb 07 22:59:12 2001] Haemish says, 'Oftentimes, I'll see one thing someone does or says, and the next chance I have to appoint a leader, I'll appoint that person and observe... giving them the opportunity to lead when they are untested builds confidence'
[Wed Feb 07 22:59:20 2001] Haemish beams a smile at Pippi.
[Wed Feb 07 22:59:43 2001] Pippi apologizes, but she wants to keep it fast-paced )
[Wed Feb 07 22:59:48 2001] Talovar says, 'Where it is possible for one person to lead a raid with his/her knowledge...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:00:07 2001] Talovar says, 'I believe, it comes down to charisma, and the ability to grab people's attention.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:00:42 2001] Talovar says, 'There have been many raid leaders in Maximum that have had no idea of what goes on in the zone - but had the ability to call together great numbers of people towards a cause.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:00:43 2001] Belce says, 'keepin connected'
[Wed Feb 07 23:01:14 2001] Talovar says, 'Rather than being ignored for the most of the strategies, etc. =)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:01:23 2001] Talovar says, 'done here.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:01:35 2001] Ravenlark says, 'for a leader - coolheaded, patient, forgiving, willing to punish if needed..... from raiders - politeness, courtesy, good sportsmanship if they dont get anything, patience and not afraid to die since you'll more than likely get a rez anyway.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:02:18 2001] Ravenlark says, 'no one is better or worse than anyone else. Some people are great leaders, others are best to follow only'
[Wed Feb 07 23:02:54 2001] Ravenlark says, 'it takes guts to say what you want and stick to it and a leader needs that'
[Wed Feb 07 23:03:11 2001] Ravenlark says, 'it take patience and understanding to follow someone as well'
[Wed Feb 07 23:03:15 2001] Ravenlark says, 'next'
[Wed Feb 07 23:03:31 2001] Dogedme says, 'I look first and foremost for the ability to follow...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:04:00 2001] Dogedme says, 'Given that, the ability to communicate, and the willpower to keep a large group focused on a single objective...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:04:23 2001] Dogedme says, 'Which typically means the ability to keep one's self focused on the objective...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:05:25 2001] Dogedme says, 'And finally the willingness to listen to their chosen advisors, and the patience to let the raid develope and give it a chance to succeed. I've found most will if I just remain calm :) '
[Wed Feb 07 23:05:27 2001] Dogedme says, 'Done'
[Wed Feb 07 23:05:42 2001] Given says, 'Have to Agree with everyone. <grin> Commincation, patience, focuse and Knowledge. In that order. '
[Wed Feb 07 23:05:54 2001] Given says, 'done.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:06:56 2001] Belce says, 'those are important things, but also imagination is important. The ability to walk into a new situation and make it work'
[Wed Feb 07 23:07:15 2001] Belce says, 'this is important for a leader'
[Wed Feb 07 23:08:29 2001] Belce says, 'and a good leader must be able to trust as well, you give someone a job and you let them at it. Leave them to do well without needing to look over their shoulder'
[Wed Feb 07 23:10:02 2001] Belce says, 'and for raid memebers the ability to communicate is important as well, in the way that makes sense, talk to your group leader if you have an idea or observation'
[Wed Feb 07 23:10:49 2001] Belce says, 'and then be a good member and put your all behind the chosen path. Hate it when people move their doubts to public channels'
[Wed Feb 07 23:10:52 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 23:11:17 2001] You say, 'ok..not opening up this one, I think we captured most, unless someone really wants to say something to wrap up, raise yer hand _'
[Wed Feb 07 23:11:34 2001] Given says, 'guess knowing what you have and how to use it. If that's information, resource, Being ready for anything even if it doesn't happen, Listen to your advisors and not the whiners and complainers'
[Wed Feb 07 23:11:54 2001] Given says, 'sorry had it typed out. <Grin>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:11:56 2001] Dogedme nods at Given.
[Wed Feb 07 23:12:00 2001] You say, 'no problem at all )'
[Wed Feb 07 23:12:13 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I had a doubt on a fear raid a while ago, when I spoke up and asked about pathing changes '
[Wed Feb 07 23:12:21 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I was laughed at'
[Wed Feb 07 23:12:32 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I was also right'
[Wed Feb 07 23:12:37 2001] You say, 'laughted at by whom?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:07 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I was called "laggy the prim assisty" ....'
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:20 2001] Ravenlark says, 'the newb without a clue..'
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:25 2001] Belce says, 'Sorry that happened'
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:28 2001] Haemish says, 'What idiot said that? '
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:39 2001] Dogedme says, 'That in itself was a failure of the raid leader, Raven :( I won't put up with anyone except me being ridiculed on a raid unless it's just in fun, of course.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:13:43 2001] Ravenlark says, 'and was told I was being stupid and to shut it'
[Wed Feb 07 23:14:10 2001] Haemish says, 'That kind of stupidity if reported to the raid leader should get the people who said it warned if nothing else'
[Wed Feb 07 23:14:12 2001] Belce says, 'this was in group?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:14:56 2001] Ravenlark says, 'well, I klnow its mean but watching the repedative deaths of the mean ones and having them ask out " what happened in here?" was somehow satisfying'
[Wed Feb 07 23:15:08 2001] Haemish says, 'HAHAHAHAH aye that can be :)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:15:11 2001] Dogedme chuckles.
[Wed Feb 07 23:15:57 2001] You say, 'lag, was that a raid leading person saying that or just participants?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:17:59 2001] You say, 'hm... k'
[Wed Feb 07 23:18:18 2001] You say, 'ok to continue or anything left for this question?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:18:21 2001] Belce says, 'this is a thing we can't fix unless we see it happen or made aware of it. '
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:02 2001] Talovar says, 'This game is interesting in terms of how people determine credibility...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:09 2001] You say, 'aye, I agree, need to make people aware of it'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:12 2001] Talovar says, 'Be it level, or gear - guild or even race at times.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:13 2001] Belce says, 'aye it is'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:13 2001] Ravenlark says, 'akk sorry pip, participants'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:18 2001] Dogedme nods at Talovar.
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:26 2001] You say, 'np, lag )'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:36 2001] You say, 'aye'
[Wed Feb 07 23:19:43 2001] Belce says, 'your character's sex as well'
[Wed Feb 07 23:20:37 2001] You say, 'k'
[Wed Feb 07 23:21:02 2001] You say, 'moving on to the 2nd set of questions, these ones are about organizational issues DURING the raid'
[Wed Feb 07 23:21:19 2001] You say, 'starting with Belce, question 4'
[Wed Feb 07 23:21:32 2001] You say, '4. When running an event with a wide level range, do you typically set groups according to level, or'
[Wed Feb 07 23:21:44 2001] You say, 'do you usually set groups by mixing the levels, and why do you set groups the way you do?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:23:19 2001] Belce says, 'I normally set groups according to level and job within a group. When I take names I will seperate them into melee, damage caster and healer. '
[Wed Feb 07 23:24:30 2001] Belce says, 'see what I have and try to make sure each group has what it needs to be successful. Getting exp is not a concern for me big raids.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:24:52 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 23:25:01 2001] Given says, 'Depends on what the raid is for. if it's a larger target groups based on need (classes wise), same if your working down to a large target. but if it's an exp raid (hang out at the zone) i would do it by level, spitting the pulls.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:25:51 2001] Given says, 'but still keeping the groups in balanced in need. (so a healer, evacer, melee so on) I would also make sure to place the higher level cleric with the main Assist.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:27:00 2001] Given says, 'the higher cleric with the main is in all raids, just to make sure he or she lives.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:30:04 2001] Belce pokes Given.
[Wed Feb 07 23:30:09 2001] You say, 'heh, thanks )'
[Wed Feb 07 23:30:14 2001] Given giggles at Belce.
[Wed Feb 07 23:32:02 2001] Dogedme says, '... want them to have the opportunity to work with the higher levels and learn from them, hopefully without dieing. It does rob them of some experience, of course, and I indicate that in my preraid posts and briefings. Some are standard, of course, like..'
[Wed Feb 07 23:33:22 2001] Dogedme says, '..Given said. Capable healers with the pull and assist, two healers per enchanter, etc, but most times I'm able to find a good fit for the lower levels in a higher group. Game experience is almost never a priority for me in setting up my raids.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:33:24 2001] Dogedme says, 'done'
[Wed Feb 07 23:33:54 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I prefer mixing things up alot lvl wise, that way all groups get an equal shot at exp rather than having a top heavy blaster group against a lower lvl tank group. No question who would get all the xp. Mostly exp isn't the primary objective though'
[Wed Feb 07 23:34:19 2001] Ravenlark says, 'usually its a specific thing you go for.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:34:36 2001] Ravenlark says, 'in group formation I have a sheet I write things down on...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:35:20 2001] Ravenlark says, '6 lines per group, 3 are named tank healer and blaster, 1 cleric does the same as 2 druids or shamans...'
[Wed Feb 07 23:36:03 2001] Ravenlark says, 'keeping an evacer of course in the group depending on need.. (no evacer required at all times in a NON group in PoG for eg..'
[Wed Feb 07 23:36:30 2001] Ravenlark says, 'the last slots in the group are filled in according to what would round out the group'
[Wed Feb 07 23:36:33 2001] Ravenlark says, 'next'
[Wed Feb 07 23:36:39 2001] Talovar says, 'We try to outline what our primary objectives are - be it experiece, fun, loot, or adventure.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:37:08 2001] Talovar says, 'And where as chaotic as it may seem, it is often faster and more effective to have healers invite standing people, and have people sit once they are grouped.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:37:39 2001] Talovar says, 'Even though it leads to disbalance in experience - people will invite those that they know and work well with - and as a whole it seems to run more smoothly.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:37:43 2001] Belce interesting idea.
[Wed Feb 07 23:37:57 2001] Talovar says, 'This is regarding groups with people that don't know everyone for example.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:38:20 2001] Talovar says, 'Other than that - well... it really depends on your objectives really. :)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:38:26 2001] Talovar says, 'Done here.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:38:29 2001] Haemish says, 'We try to get leaders to set well defined goals, whether it be experience, exploration or a specific camp'
[Wed Feb 07 23:39:00 2001] Haemish says, 'If experience, I set the groups according to level, if a particular goal, I try to balance the groups best by healer, tank, enchanter, etc. '
[Wed Feb 07 23:39:36 2001] Haemish says, 'If it's a long camp for an item, I'll set the groups as if we're going after a particular goal and when more than 1 group is there, have them switch off on experience'
[Wed Feb 07 23:40:08 2001] Haemish says, 'One group gets one kill then backs off and the next group gets the next kill... but not on the "Boss" mob, just the placeholders and guards'
[Wed Feb 07 23:40:17 2001] Haemish says, 'Done'
[Wed Feb 07 23:40:58 2001] Guinness says, 'Again, the goal dictates how the groups are going to be balance. The only additional thing we try to do is get a 'younger' person of that class grouped with a more experienced one, so that they may be able to pick up on some of the things they do,etc'
[Wed Feb 07 23:41:00 2001] Guinness says, 'done.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:41:18 2001] You say, 'any remaining comments?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:41:20 2001] Guinness says, 'a 40 cleric with a 55 cleric for example, in same group.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:41:41 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yes Pip'
[Wed Feb 07 23:41:48 2001] Pippi chuckles at Dogedme.
[Wed Feb 07 23:42:07 2001] Given says, 'I would try to get a higher level person as the Group leader. someone that has Exp and knowledge to help the other members of the group.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:42:29 2001] Dogedme says, 'Haemish touched on it, but wanted to bring it out again. We've been having good success at passing the exp around between the groups, and the more we do it, the better we get at it. It works well :)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:42:43 2001] Haemish says, 'I don't look at level for group leader, I work on who I think can do the job'
[Wed Feb 07 23:42:49 2001] Belce says, 'this also determines how you are going to delegate the work load as well'
[Wed Feb 07 23:43:33 2001] Given says, 'humm yeah thinking Level = knowledge. <snicker>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:43:49 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol Given! <grin>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:44:21 2001] Given thinking back to the Druid in the Naggy raid that couldn't find SolB.
[Wed Feb 07 23:44:24 2001] Haemish says, 'Heheh I don't even look at knowledge of the target or dungeon.. just at who I think would be a good group leader :)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:44:37 2001] Dogedme rolls on the floor laughing.
[Wed Feb 07 23:44:44 2001] Haemish says, 'DOH! :)'
[Wed Feb 07 23:45:06 2001] Dogedme says, '<bonks Haemish> Wasn't me! I haven't been to Naggy yet! <laughs>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:45:09 2001] Haemish remembers the druid in a dungeon on CR who didn't think to mem evac before going down in the dungeon.
[Wed Feb 07 23:45:21 2001] Given says, 'well i find it's good if the Group leader can explain to the group what will be happening. what is the west camp? how do you get there? what do you do when your attacked and so on.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:45:58 2001] Haemish says, 'Experience in the area that is being raided does help a good bit... whether it be the group leader's knowledge or his backup'
[Wed Feb 07 23:46:00 2001] Given says, 'i have been in some raids where i wasn't told a thing or where i had to explain things to the group.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:46:05 2001] Belce says, 'I remember that ) "Belce tell people how to get to west camp"'
[Wed Feb 07 23:46:17 2001] Dogedme says, 'Ah good point, Given'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:01 2001] You say, 'lol'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:10 2001] You say, 'poor belce got bombarded with tells from me and steel )'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:11 2001] Given says, 'that's kind of where i was going in level. <LOL> poeple of higher level are more likely to have done the "west camp" and can help people get there.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:28 2001] Given says, '<LOL>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:41 2001] Haemish says, 'True... the planes are a bit of a strange animal in that the access to them is SO restricted'
[Wed Feb 07 23:47:47 2001] Belce says, 'no I needed those'
[Wed Feb 07 23:48:01 2001] Dogedme says, 'When they're not too busy arguing that North would be better? <grin>'
[Wed Feb 07 23:48:44 2001] Given thinks back to the deaths in Hate and mourns them all.
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:10 2001] Belce says, 'that was an eager wizard, went before the ok'
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:18 2001] Given says, 'learned something important that day. don't give the wi's stones before hand.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:31 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol!'
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:33 2001] Belce says, 'now know give wiz hate stone after ok comes'
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:35 2001] Haemish says, 'ROFL!'
[Wed Feb 07 23:49:38 2001] Given says, 'right into a rat. <shake head> group was toast in seconds.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:04 2001] Given says, 'think the wiz made it to.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:05 2001] You say, 'heh'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:11 2001] You say, 'ok....'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:17 2001] You say, 'ready for the next question?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:18 2001] Given says, 'oops sorry pippi'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:18 2001] Belce says, 'no he came back naked'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:24 2001] You say, 'np *grin'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:24 2001] Haemish says, 'Ready'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:35 2001] You say, 'next question, starting with Guinness'
[Wed Feb 07 23:50:59 2001] You say, '5. How would you deal with trouble makers, both within the group and outside? What about late arrivals?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:51:39 2001] You say, 'For raids, like dragons, that require special equipment what steps do you take to inform everyone what is needed, how would you or would you verify that people wanting to go are prepped?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:52:25 2001] Guinness says, 'Both or just the latter?'
[Wed Feb 07 23:52:41 2001] You say, 'both )'
[Wed Feb 07 23:52:56 2001] You say, 'question was longer than I anticipated ) kind across the board with this question, sorry'
[Wed Feb 07 23:53:15 2001] Given says, 'may want more then 2 minutes.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:53:26 2001] Belce vetos Given's idea!
[Wed Feb 07 23:53:42 2001] Dogedme offers Given 10 seconds of his time.
[Wed Feb 07 23:53:46 2001] Guinness says, 'Late arrivals usually aren't much of a prob to get to main group now with the proper classes. However we try to stress the starting time, and to not put the others in peril by having to come retrieve them somewhere. It's inevitable sometime, but >'
[Wed Feb 07 23:53:50 2001] Given can't type fast.
[Wed Feb 07 23:54:04 2001] Pippi go ahead over 2 min )
[Wed Feb 07 23:54:32 2001] Guinness says, 'generally not much of a problem. Troublemakers I won't comment on, as I do NOT handle that department, short-tempered and known to make snap decisions, so will turn that problem over to someone else in raid.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:55:22 2001] Guinness says, 'Equipping people on raids, will always post a list of things that can be picked up, where from or how much if purchaseable. Will try to bring some spare stuff on my person as well.'
[Wed Feb 07 23:59:05 2001] Haemish says, 'For troublemakers, if their guild leaders is on the raid, I'll give them a tell first, try to let the guild leader or group leader handle it first... if it continues I'll kick them off of raids, though I haven't had to do that yet'
[Thu Feb 08 00:00:09 2001] Haemish says, 'For late arrivals, I started out leading raids and letting anyone come late, even holding raids for them.... but I've gotten better at that now'
[Thu Feb 08 00:00:31 2001] Haemish says, 'I try to set a staging time, then a Go Time, when no one else is allowed on the raid UNLESS we just need their claas badly'
[Thu Feb 08 00:01:18 2001] Haemish says, 'However, I've found that for anything outside of Antonica, holding for late arrivals is a bad idea as no matter where the raid is, it's too far from any teleports to make it effective to hold up for latecomers'
[Thu Feb 08 00:02:07 2001] Haemish says, 'For special resists, I've only started with doing raids of this type so am somewhat torn on how to enforce it.. but I do post a list of minimum resists and some items to get those resists up'
[Thu Feb 08 00:02:19 2001] Haemish says, 'Done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:04:14 2001] Talovar says, 'I haven't experienced as many troublemakers as people that come late just for the main event...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:04:28 2001] Talovar says, 'People that want to skip out on zone clearing or giant slaying for example.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:04:51 2001] Talovar says, 'With that... it really depends on how short handed you are - or if you are expecting them late.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:05:35 2001] Talovar says, 'We've always run with, "We're already past the giants" etc - which gives them insentive to come on-time next raid.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:06:08 2001] Talovar says, 'Troublemakers can be tricky, because there are many members that seem horrid in the public eye, that are adorable to their guild leaders.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:06:30 2001] Talovar says, 'Perhaps there should be some sort of a poll for what has gone wrong.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:06:56 2001] You say, 'example for a poll?'
[Thu Feb 08 00:07:00 2001] Talovar says, 'Personally large amount of emotes or /ooc /shout chatting I find to be distracting... but.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:07:31 2001] Talovar says, 'Well if a member in your guild had an issue with a troublemaker - but it was not apparent to everyone for example.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:08:07 2001] Talovar says, 'Perhaps it is worthy of discussion - in the grand scheme of trying to make things more enjoyable, and to have things run more smoothly.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:08:57 2001] Talovar says, 'With resistance gear... I think it is very hard to enforce lazy people, or even fearless people.'
[[Thu Feb 08 00:09:17 2001] Talovar says, 'You really need a large loss to realize how important they really are.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:09:49 2001] Talovar says, 'Not that losing is the best, but losing to Gorenaire is a very good lesson.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:10:17 2001] Talovar says, 'Her fear sends off pretty much anyone under 58, and her cold AE has a devastating slow - making tanks useless.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:10:44 2001] Talovar says, 'Without resistance gear, it's over very quickly - with resistance gear, it's up to the players.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:11:03 2001] Talovar says, 'I went off on a tangent again. 8)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:11:11 2001] Talovar says, 'Go ahead Raven.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:11:11 2001] You say, 'is ok )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:11:21 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I spent 7 years of my rl in the millitary, I am very used to their style, you follow the chain of command and if you step out of line are warned. If the warning needs repeating you are not worth my time or wasting the time of others (my opin only)...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:11:57 2001] Ravenlark says, 'trouble makers are talked to and asked whats goin on..'
[Thu Feb 08 00:12:17 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I like the baseball method and stick to it harsh as it may be..'
[Thu Feb 08 00:13:07 2001] Ravenlark says, 'lateness is a tough one, if I know you'll be late we'll wait, no worries. if we are already deep in the middle of somewhere I cant afford to send someone back for you..'
[Thu Feb 08 00:13:34 2001] Ravenlark says, 'that would risk getting everyone killed by trains and that would be bad for everyone else.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:14:07 2001] Ravenlark says, 'space can be made but we need to know if you're gonna be late or your spot would probably get filled =\ ...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:14:56 2001] Ravenlark says, 'we havn't dealt alot with resistance stuff within fellowship yet, but I agree alot with Tal, some people are just so eager to go they die right off the start...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:15:48 2001] Ravenlark says, 'after a couple deaths I believe they learn but they also realize they let everyone else down by dying so fast, its kinda a learning thing that we hope they dont ruin it for us on.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:15:51 2001] Ravenlark says, 'next'
[Thu Feb 08 00:16:09 2001] Dogedme says, 'I've only dealth with a couple of trouble makers in my group on raids, and I've found that a couple of stern words, followed by a quick change of subject to save their pride, is usually effective...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:17:46 2001] Dogedme says, 'I've only dealt with one person on Karana who decided to give me a hard time in /tells when I was leading a raid. I promptly turned him over to Cassia, who was the raid organizer, and that must have been effective since I had no more trouble from him <g>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:18:21 2001] Haemish thinks Cassia usually pretty effective at dealing with morons.
[Thu Feb 08 00:18:31 2001] You nod.
[Thu Feb 08 00:18:56 2001] Belce agrees with Dogedme.
[Thu Feb 08 00:18:57 2001] Dogedme says, 'As for late arrivals, I'm afraid I don't handle that well. I have very little patience with people not being on time, particularly when it's obvious they made no effort to be on time...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:19:51 2001] Dogedme says, 'So it's a case-by-case basis for me. If they can be brought in easily and safely, I'll do it, though it irks me. If not, I have and will told them "Sorry friend, love to have you with us next raid, though!"...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:21:16 2001] Dogedme says, 'I can't think of a good way to enforce resist levels for the dragons... posting the requirements each time I think is important, because there will always be first-timers there, but I think we have to just rely on the people to police themselves in ...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:22:26 2001] Haemish thinks how much more limited can customer service be.
[Thu Feb 08 00:22:43 2001] Dogedme says, '...that regard. I do think bringing extra gear to loan out is an excellent idea, and I did bring some with me last Vox raid and it was needed and used. I'll bring extra each time, I think. But so far as enforcement, I just don't see a good way to approach'
[Thu Feb 08 00:22:46 2001] Dogedme says, 'that.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:22:48 2001] Dogedme says, 'Done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:22:58 2001] Given says, 'First equipment Talovar said it the best. it's up to the player. you can post suggests, and even run raids to get items (Froglok Crown) but that's about it. You can't force anyone to do anything.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:24:07 2001] Given says, 'For late comers i'm not sure. i never raid any larger raids where i had to worry about it. I think it depends on what is need. If they aren't they will have been turned away. maybe added to a list or something for next time.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:25:22 2001] Given says, 'Ahhh Trouble makers. got a story for this one. AC was in a raid in Hate one time and one of our members was running around looking at all the corpses and wandering. we told him (officers) i don't know how many times to stop and sit down.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:25:40 2001] Given says, 'he would for a couple of seconds and then be off again. We gave him a warning.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:26:40 2001] Given says, 'the next day we had a naggy raid. Again he wandered, looked at corpses and so on. the worst was when he lower the bridge and wandered around there. when he made it back to the camp the officers removed him.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:27:06 2001] Given says, 'it wasn't like we didn't give him warns. the officers where getting really pissed off about it all. '
[Thu Feb 08 00:28:00 2001] Given says, 'the problem is when the raider isn't in your guild. all you can do is talk to him. explain why it's wrong. if he does it again you tell him again. maybe even ask him to leave. '
[Thu Feb 08 00:28:21 2001] Given says, 'or talk to a officer of his guild. but over all heard to deal with it.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:28:51 2001] Given says, '<LOL> i have another story but a GM that wasn't listening on a fear raid. but will save that one for later.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:29:38 2001] Haemish says, 'Heheheh helps to have your shout and ooc channels on too Given :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:29:41 2001] Given says, 'i basically think the 3 warnings and they are out. (either guild, raid, or what ever) everyone has to listen and follow orders one weenie and you can say bye bye to the raid.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:30:42 2001] Given says, '<LOL> we had a members that wasn't following orders in a CoM raid. had to have a talk to her found out that the Raid leader was on her ingore list. <LOL>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:30:54 2001] Dogedme rolls on the floor laughing.
[Thu Feb 08 00:31:01 2001] Haemish rolls on the floor laughing at Given.
[Thu Feb 08 00:31:04 2001] Belce chuckles at Given.
[Thu Feb 08 00:31:05 2001] You say, 'ouch )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:31:37 2001] Given says, 'done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:32:48 2001] Belce says, 'ok with trouble makers, they usually occur during breakins and corpse recovery I have found, and I would deal with them in the manner Haemish has stated, have Cassia talk to them.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:33:22 2001] Haemish chuckles at Belce.
[Thu Feb 08 00:33:33 2001] You say, 'LOL, is that a proven method? "Have cassia talk to him/her"?'
[Thu Feb 08 00:33:45 2001] Haemish says, 'Heheh works fer us :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:33:45 2001] Dogedme says, 'Worked for me! <grin>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:34:40 2001] Belce says, 'regarding resist items one thing that we can do is start talking about it before they are ready to go, "You will be going on dragin raids soon, start thinkin about what you will need." we also post beforehand that jewellry orders can be placed for this'
[Thu Feb 08 00:34:48 2001] Guinness has gone Linkdead.
[Thu Feb 08 00:35:58 2001] Belce says, 'latecomers was something that caused a bad exp for us on a CoM raid, it really slowed us getting started so I will be more firm on this in the future.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:36:33 2001] Belce says, 'even though we hadn't started yet it is important to cut adds to your raid just to get it going'
[Thu Feb 08 00:36:47 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:37:09 2001] You say, 'opening it up for discussion'
[Thu Feb 08 00:37:35 2001] Talovar says, 'two things regarding resistance gear'
[Thu Feb 08 00:37:38 2001] Haemish says, 'One comment I will make on latecomers is on the Vox raid I set a drop dead go time and stuck to it.. and only let in latecomers we needed.... and it worked well.. we got to the clearing spot quickly'
[Thu Feb 08 00:37:43 2001] Belce says, 'when would we do that poll Talovar and how would it be done?'
[Thu Feb 08 00:37:59 2001] Dogedme says, 'You guys might consider hiring Cassia out to other guilds and alliances as an "enforcer" <chuckle>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:05 2001] You say, 'LOL'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:09 2001] Given says, '<LOL> i was wondering that to.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:11 2001] Haemish says, 'ROFL'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:13 2001] You say, 'hey, I am good, too )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:15 2001] Talovar says, 'Perhaps the better approach would be enthusiastic within your guild, and post what sort of gear You will be wearing...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:16 2001] Belce says, 'am glad she not here now'
[Thu Feb 08 00:38:29 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol! I'll remember that then, Pippi! :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:39:23 2001] Talovar says, 'Regarding the polls - I think all of the members should feel comfortable approaching their officers or their leader regarding raid trouble.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:39:35 2001] Talovar says, 'Something like workplace harassment.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:39:41 2001] Haemish says, 'We have a jeweler offering to make resist gear for all members of our alliance and guild before the raid... and have a fund set aside for that too'
[Thu Feb 08 00:40:13 2001] Talovar says, 'Or even, officers or leader of other guilds, if they think that their superiors will not discipline them appropriatly for the raid.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:40:29 2001] Dogedme says, 'I agree the officers and GL should make themselves approachable, Talovar... that takes care of a lot of problems just in and of itself'
[Thu Feb 08 00:40:54 2001] Haemish says, 'One of the reasons I put reps for the CoG on the CoG web site is so that you CAN contact reps/officers/leaders of other guilds'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:10 2001] Haemish says, 'In case of problems like that'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:14 2001] Ravenlark says, 'btw, typing one handed again all so I'll be alot slower..'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:20 2001] Dogedme nods at Haemish.
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:26 2001] Given says, 'ohh i guess the AC info needs to be changed.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:30 2001] Haemish won't even ask Ravenlark why she's 1handed typing.
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:32 2001] Dogedme says, 'K Lag :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:35 2001] Given says, 'i'll send you an email.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:40 2001] Haemish says, 'Ok Given :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:44 2001] Given says, 'we even have a web page now. <LOL>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:45 2001] Ravenlark says, 'feeding baby'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:48 2001] You say, 'ok )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:49 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yea, ours too Haemish lol'
[Thu Feb 08 00:41:54 2001] You say, 'k, quick question'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:15 2001] You say, 'how much longer do you guys want to stay here? I'll reduce the number of questions based on how much longer you want to discuss'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:27 2001] Haemish says, 'About 20 minutes fer me Pippi'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:31 2001] Haemish (
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:37 2001] You say, 'ok'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:39 2001] Dogedme says, 'Erm... I should have loged 40 mins ago.... <laughs>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:44 2001] You say, 'how about 1 more question?'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:53 2001] Dogedme says, 'That'll work :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:55 2001] You say, 'I'll let you pick which one you want to talk about...vote'
[Thu Feb 08 00:42:57 2001] Haemish says, 'Burnout question :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:04 2001] You say, 'ah, k )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:11 2001] Dogedme says, 'That is a good one'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:14 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I dont have anything really pressing.. was gonna help a guildmate with tailoring but thats up to Tal I think'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:20 2001] You say, '10. How do you prevent organizing burn-out?'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:25 2001] You say, 'starting with Belce'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:35 2001] You say, 'I'll save the other questions for next time mebbe ) or during a raid )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:43:45 2001] Ravenlark says, 'hehe'
[Thu Feb 08 00:44:32 2001] Dogedme realizes with horror that he never turned logging on for this ::(
[Thu Feb 08 00:44:44 2001] Haemish hopes Pippi logged it.
[Thu Feb 08 00:44:54 2001] You told Haemish, 'well, I'll edit it and post the log )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:44:57 2001] Belce says, 'I spend time doing other things actually. couple nights ago I spent time talking with Jannelle while she waited on a quest mob, recently I have done 2 plane raids and a dragon raid so I take a night off in game'
[Thu Feb 08 00:45:00 2001] Pippi nods.
[Thu Feb 08 00:45:49 2001] Belce says, 'don't even really hunt or maybe attend a lower lvl raid as an observer'
[Thu Feb 08 00:46:53 2001] Belce says, 'also I have found that the first few raids took more out of me than they do now, I am better prepared and know better what to expect'
[Thu Feb 08 00:47:40 2001] Belce says, 'and success also helps to prevent burnout as well, we have done well recently'
[Thu Feb 08 00:47:43 2001] Belce says, 'done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:47:46 2001] Given says, 'I wish i know. <LOL> I think in AC's case, if we had an alliance to spread the work. maybe had members run smaller raids and not get the 3 or 4 officers to run them. I noticed that in Large Raids with "uber" guilds they seem stress free...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:48:28 2001] Given says, 'because everyone knows what they are doing. they know what to expect. There is no added pressures. <Envy <LOL>>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:49:04 2001] Given says, 'I find Befallen a Great Stress releaser. <grin>'
[Thu Feb 08 00:49:31 2001] Given says, 'done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:49:54 2001] Dogedme says, 'I don't avoid it... I've burned out twice now. My first raid in almost three months is currently in the middle planning stages. I just go till I completely lose interest in ever running another event, then quit. Eventually, the bug always bites me again:)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:49:59 2001] Dogedme says, 'done'
[Thu Feb 08 00:50:22 2001] Given nods at Dogedme.
[Thu Feb 08 00:50:29 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I live on stress, 1 thing to the next...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:51:34 2001] Ravenlark says, 'the vox raid I spent the whole part before killing her explaining to about 6 people that not only was vox not in a separate zone from perma but how she is not a cake walk...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:52:47 2001] Ravenlark says, 'I had the shakes and loved every second of it. I'd hold more raids if I could but as I mentioned earlier we are as yet small but got some big ideas coming'
[Thu Feb 08 00:52:58 2001] Ravenlark says, 'sorry for slow typing, next'
[Thu Feb 08 00:53:28 2001] Talovar says, 'I think often at times it feels like you are talking to a wall when leading a raid or event...'
[Thu Feb 08 00:53:43 2001] Dogedme nods emphatically.
[Thu Feb 08 00:54:16 2001] Talovar says, 'I think if you keep confident, and keep talking (rather than worrying whether people are listening) you would be happy to find the number of people that listen to what you have to say.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:55:02 2001] Talovar says, 'Repeating yourself, or asking if anyone heard something - or even apologizing... brings doubt, and moreover stresses yourself.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:55:36 2001] Talovar says, 'I suppose in some senses, it is not caring what other people think of you - sort of happy-go-lucky in a way.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:00 2001] Talovar says, 'I'm not sure if I even adressed the question. 8)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:19 2001] Haemish says, 'hehehehehe'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:22 2001] Dogedme says, 'You did :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:25 2001] Talovar says, 'I don't have many anti-stress techniques other than running in real life. =)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:33 2001] You say, 'heh )'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:35 2001] Talovar says, 'Ah okay, good. hehe.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:56:49 2001] Talovar says, 'Go ahead, Haemish.'
[Thu Feb 08 00:57:00 2001] Haemish says, 'For me personally, I take time off of EQ'
[Thu Feb 08 00:57:11 2001] Haemish says, 'After I run any event, I'll take 1 or 2 days and just not play'
[Thu Feb 08 00:57:11 2001] Pippi nods at Haemish.
[Thu Feb 08 00:57:36 2001] Haemish says, 'After the Vox raid, I vegged... I finished a Greg Bear book, saw a movie or two, anything but EQ'
[Thu Feb 08 00:57:52 2001] Given thinks that would be nice, but feels he has to be on allllllll the time or something bad will happen.
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:02 2001] Dogedme rolls on the floor laughing.
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:04 2001] Ravenlark nods.
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:10 2001] Haemish says, 'Another way to do so is to participate in events but don't lead'
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:30 2001] Haemish says, 'Although I find that usually, I WANT to run the event... I just love the spotlight :)'
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:53 2001] Pippi just disappears )
[Thu Feb 08 00:58:55 2001] Haemish says, 'For those in my guild who run events though I tell them to make sure if they start to feel burned out....'
[Thu Feb 08 00:59:14 2001] Haemish says, 'Just stop until you feel like you aren't burned out anymore.... especially if they are officers'
[Thu Feb 08 00:59:33 2001] Haemish says, 'Don't lead raids, don't lead events, just chill'
[Thu Feb 08 00:59:58 2001] Haemish says, 'And as for listening to dissenters... don't let the bastards grind you down'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:04 2001] You say, 'heh )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:09 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol! Too true'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:19 2001] Haemish says, 'Admit when your wrong and take pride in your accomplishments... and stand up for what you believe to be right'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:21 2001] Haemish says, 'Done'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:55 2001] You say, 'any other comments?'
[Thu Feb 08 01:00:58 2001] Given says, 'From the sounds of it Haemish you are luck with the members and officer you have. All the AC members are nice people and all but Ever do anything. Then they wonder when the officer burn out.'
[Thu Feb 08 01:01:27 2001] Haemish says, 'I am very lucky... I think I have the best clan ye could ask fer... but I'm also biased :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:01:31 2001] You say, 'I think it's in whom they pick )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:01:33 2001] Given says, 'i think i have been burned out for 2 months now. I have no idea how i keep going <LOL>'
[Thu Feb 08 01:01:52 2001] Dogedme says, 'SD is blessed with several folks that like to run events... makes a big difference Given :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:02:21 2001] Haemish says, 'I think one of the ways we've been lucky is that I've always stressed events... and so we've attracted those people who like events'
[Thu Feb 08 01:02:33 2001] Dogedme says, 'Only problem with being allied with them is horning in a day for your own event! <laughs>'
[Thu Feb 08 01:02:47 2001] You say, 'beer events, wine events... you name it )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:02:54 2001] Haemish says, 'I know at least 2 of my current good members first met me on CoG Mixer Hunts :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:04 2001] Dogedme says, 'Apple juice events?'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:07 2001] Haemish says, 'Aye Dog that's a problem for people IN the guild too :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:15 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol Haemish!'
[[Thu Feb 08 01:03:33 2001] Dogedme says, 'All guilds and alliances should have that problem lol'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:41 2001] Given says, '<LOL> but i can't even get them to that something like that. when i was in TSK i used to run newbie events every week. <sigh>'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:45 2001] You say, 'what do ya mean, hamish, "good members"? *grin'
[Thu Feb 08 01:03:59 2001] Haemish says, 'Heheheh it's all good Pippi :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:13 2001] Dogedme says, 'He means "other than Pippi members" <runs like hell, laughing>'
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:15 2001] Given says, 'I think also in your Case is you have had people come to your guild knowing what you are about and liking it.'
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:29 2001] You snarl meanly at Dogedme.
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:32 2001] Pippi chuckles at Haemish.
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:35 2001] Haemish says, 'I mean the members who just stand out above others without even trying... and are always grabbing my attention without meaning to'
[Thu Feb 08 01:04:57 2001] Dogedme says, 'Grabbing your WHAT?!?'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:02 2001] Dogedme says, 'Oh... okay'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:10 2001] Dogedme snickers softly.
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:11 2001] Given says, 'inc bonk'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:13 2001] Given bonks Dogedme on the head!
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:21 2001] Haemish says, 'Aye that is true Given... I've also done a lot of PR with the Council and with our open events so that the guild's name gets out there'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:21 2001] Dogedme says, 'Ow!'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:34 2001] You say, 'hehe'
[Thu Feb 08 01:05:47 2001] Haemish says, 'PR is invaluable btw'
[Thu Feb 08 01:07:09 2001] Dogedme says, 'That's no joke lol'
[Thu Feb 08 01:07:32 2001] Haemish says, 'And accentuate the positive... gods I sound like Mary Poppins'
[Thu Feb 08 01:07:40 2001] Belce says, 'you can use it to attract people that like to do things your guild does'
[Thu Feb 08 01:07:50 2001] You say, 'hehehe'
[Thu Feb 08 01:08:00 2001] Dogedme says, 'I couldn't believe the number of people that jumped servers to attend the Walk that time... as we gained several great people out of that'
[Thu Feb 08 01:08:17 2001] Haemish says, 'The walk was a great event... we need that again :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:08:31 2001] Dogedme says, 'I've been getting the itch to try another one lol'
[Thu Feb 08 01:08:52 2001] You say, 'oh, do please )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:09:19 2001] Dogedme says, '<chuckles> Okay... ya convinced me... I'll start putting it together :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:09:27 2001] You say, 'yay, thanks )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:09:44 2001] Haemish claps happily for Dogedme - hurray!
[Thu Feb 08 01:10:27 2001] Dogedme says, 'And I want a third annual chess event, too! I just love those :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:10:41 2001] Haemish says, 'The chess event was great... I want to play next time! '
[Thu Feb 08 01:10:41 2001] You say, 'heh, I already have an idea for the next one, a variation'
[Thu Feb 08 01:10:53 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yay!!'
[Thu Feb 08 01:10:53 2001] You say, 'I'll make the pawns the higher level chars next time'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:02 2001] Haemish says, 'Oooooo sounds fun :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:04 2001] You say, 'more slaughter this way'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:05 2001] Dogedme says, 'Oooo... good plan!'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:26 2001] Haemish says, 'I have an idea for a guildwar event.... between the allies of the Sacred Band'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:38 2001] You say, 'yea, been waiting for more info, haemish )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:53 2001] Haemish says, 'DOH! There isn't any! I'm lookin' fer ideas :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:11:57 2001] Given says, 'can we have an assiassion pawns this time? <grin>'
[Thu Feb 08 01:12:24 2001] Haemish says, 'Ooooo assasin pawn good idea'
[Thu Feb 08 01:13:52 2001] Haemish taps his foot impatiently.
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:02 2001] Given covers his head.
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:03 2001] Haemish smiles.
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:18 2001] You say, 'hmm'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:27 2001] Haemish says, 'Does that deafening silence mean everyone is plotting to bash Given? :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:27 2001] Dogedme says, 'hmm'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:35 2001] Dogedme says, 'Lol!'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:37 2001] You say, 'I'd say it's quittin time )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:40 2001] Given says, 'just Pippi.'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:47 2001] You say, 'let's hit the gnome....err gong'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:54 2001] Talovar says, 'Ah sorry was filled with tells...'
[Thu Feb 08 01:14:55 2001] Ravenlark says, 'erp.. nah just eyes glazing over'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:07 2001] Haemish says, 'This was a good event Pippi..... think it will be very popular when we put it on the Web site'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:10 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yea... bed time for Dogzo, I'm afraid ya'll'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:15 2001] Talovar says, 'We actually have scavenger hunts that we hold every so often with the Fellowship.'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:23 2001] You say, 'well, thank you for coming tonight, I think it was definitely good to throw this together )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:40 2001] Dogedme says, 'Scavenger hunts sound fun! :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:42 2001] Belce says, 'aye it was to hear others ideas on these things'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:42 2001] Talovar says, 'It was by suggestion that we open our next one up to invite single teams from other guild to compete.'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:44 2001] You say, 'aye, I'll edit the log and will send it to haemish for posting...if we get more interest, maybe schedule another one'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:54 2001] You say, 'ohh, scavengar hunts )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:15:59 2001] You say, 'sounds good )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:06 2001] Dogedme says, 'I'm all about a scavenger hunt! Lol!'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:13 2001] Ravenlark says, 'his are fun hehe'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:15 2001] Haemish says, 'Thanks fer holdin' this Pippi '
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:22 2001] You say, 'np at all )'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:26 2001] Dogedme says, 'Yes, thank you, Pippi :)'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:27 2001] Talovar says, 'when I can secure a date in advance I'll let everyone know'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:33 2001] Haemish cheers at Pippi.
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:37 2001] Belce says, 'thank you Tal'
[Thu Feb 08 01:16:42 2001] You say, 'thanks talovar )'

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