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[Tue Nov 19 21:02:59
2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Here'
[Tue Nov 19 21:05:32 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hello'
[Tue Nov 19 21:05:38 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Hey all'
[Tue Nov 19 21:05:43 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'heya all'
[Tue Nov 19 21:05:46 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hi=)'
[Tue Nov 19 21:05:50 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Hey all'
[Tue Nov 19 21:06:01 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Trying to get as
many people here as possible. Running late as always, but I got here
just in time.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:06:19 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hello )'
[Tue Nov 19 21:06:33 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Hi all Rredd
here from <souls of the valiant>'
[Tue Nov 19 21:06:53 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hiya's'
[Tue Nov 19 21:07:48 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Anyone know of anyone
else who should be here?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:07:54 2002] Medikall tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hi'
[Tue Nov 19 21:08:17 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'There were
over 249 hits as of 7:30CST on the post'
[Tue Nov 19 21:08:27 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Only 13 replies,
so not sure on attendance'
[Tue Nov 19 21:09:20 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I know Lagdalen
was thinking of poking in'
[Tue Nov 19 21:09:21 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, lets give it
a couple of more minutes just to be safe, and then we can call it.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:11:45 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'that means
what to us?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:11:58 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'oops, sorry
wrong tell. lol'
[Tue Nov 19 21:16:49 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, lets get started
here. Think anyone who meant to be here would be here by now'
[Tue Nov 19 21:17:41 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'The main thing we
are here to discuss, obviously, is the possibility of adding KCoG to
the Venril Sather Rotation.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:18:21 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Now realize, that
this is the first council meeting I have been to, much less lead. So
take it easy on me. First things first I would like to hear what everyone's
initial thoughts are'
[Tue Nov 19 21:18:51 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I'll go first.
If that's okay?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:18:57 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Shoot'
[Tue Nov 19 21:21:12 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Being of little
to no experience on a KCoG raid, I've not seen what KCoG Can accomplish.
However, it's my humble opinion that if we are to establish a solid
leadership with a few 'solid' people to provide the starting firepower,
I believe that this can be done. In reading more about VS, it's more
strategy than man power. We can't Zerg this guy, but we do need a great
strategy. I feel as though with Farrn leading and the support of others,
We Can do this. Albeit, I might be overconfident, but I don't thin'
[Tue Nov 19 21:21:15 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'so.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:22:05 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'my huble opinion...'
[Tue Nov 19 21:23:41 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'sorry done.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:23:56 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'BTW, when you are
finished typing say done, that way we can distinguish when it is time
for someone else to go'
[Tue Nov 19 21:24:11 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Who else wants to
chip in here?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:24:20 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'i have
a question'
[Tue Nov 19 21:24:22 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'floor'
[Tue Nov 19 21:24:34 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Go for it Macguinness'
[Tue Nov 19 21:25:53 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'should
we be ona rotation for VS, i understand that druids need epic pieces
from the VS remains which spawn about 24hrs after a kill.....does the
succesfull raiding guild/grp have rights to the Remains?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:26:20 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'done'
[Tue Nov 19 21:27:02 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'they do in
the sense that they are there first, and therefore have first dibs.
VSR is such a common spawn these days though that there doesnt seem
to be a lot of contension for him.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:27:03 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, from my understanding
no. However he is left up lots of the time because he drops two at a
time, and only so many people need them. In fact if we do go on this
rotation we will probably be doing some practice raids on the remains,
so that we can get an idea of the environment.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:27:20 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Done'
[Tue Nov 19 21:27:33 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'You had something
Primortius?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:28:19 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I assume
everyone here has been to a kcog dragon raid. Now we all know what kind
of a mess those can turn into very quickly. I think it is going to take
alot of dedication from more than just a few people to do VS. Now I
do think that we could do it, but we need to find out if we have the
right kind of classes for this. Example Tanks, enchanter clerics of
sufficient level? do you all know your guilds well enough to pitch in
with what we have ? :)'
[Tue Nov 19 21:29:03 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'by pitch
in i mean do you know what you have in your guild?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:29:19 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'for clases
and levels. done'
[Tue Nov 19 21:31:10 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'another issue
is that we need to have those key people to have read the strategy..
never happens for dragon raids'
[Tue Nov 19 21:31:14 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'That more than anything
is what I am worried about with this. However I kinda want to get to
that after the initial thoughts because that is going to take a lot
of this meeting to sort out.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:31:49 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Before we get in
depth anyone else want to chip in anything?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:33:27 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Okay, can I
make a quick statement on the whole VS thing? '
[Tue Nov 19 21:33:34 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Go for it Kellory'
[Tue Nov 19 21:34:22 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Okay. To address
part of Primortius' question, a lot will depend on who we can muster.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:34:47 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Now then, VS
isnt that hard. He's only got about 16khps. 3 manaburn wizards could
do him before.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:35:26 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'The problem
is that he's got that nasty lifetap. Which means a successful kill on
him requires a tank with the right disciplines'
[Tue Nov 19 21:36:19 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'You really
need at least 1 59+ warrior which will give you about 17 seconds of
hit free time to kill VS. That means you need to be able to do about
16k damage in 17 seconds'
[Tue Nov 19 21:36:54 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'if you get two
of these warriors can that double the time?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:36:57 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Personally
I think thats very doable for KCoG. Just means mustering a lot of melee's.
But just 3 level 55+ Trueshot rangers can output half that without much
of a problem. Leaving the other tanks to take up the slack'
[Tue Nov 19 21:37:19 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'In theory yes.
But its a very delicate balancing act for the second tank to pick up
aggro where the first one left off'
[Tue Nov 19 21:37:41 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'first tank
sacrifices'
[Tue Nov 19 21:37:44 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'We do it, but
it needs both tanks to know each other and really work together to do
it.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:38:19 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'essentially
aye. the problem is making sure the second tank never picks up aggro
while the first has it, but is able to grab it instantly before he say
takes out a ranger after the first tank dies.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:39:04 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'He's also mainly
a melee fight. Most casters other than wizards wont land anything. Also,
healers are fairly worthless as you are essentially healing the mob
and eventually you will lose. 1 cleric is usually enough.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:39:20 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'sounds tricky
for strangers to do together'
[Tue Nov 19 21:39:37 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'So pretty much
to do this we'd need 1 or 2 level 59+ warriors and a whole ton of melee'rs.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:40:03 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'and ! shaman
to shrink em all? :)'
[Tue Nov 19 21:40:17 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'it is. Still,
there are many mixer hunts you can run to get people working together.
Its more a question of finding those key people and they'r being able
to make it on short notice when he's up'
[Tue Nov 19 21:41:32 2002] Tsaryn tells kcogcouncil:3, 'wasn't casting
rune a tactic for him way back when? isn't that still a valid way? lifetaps
not going through a rune?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:41:35 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Anyway,t htas
pretty much it. 2 warriors are needed. lots of tanks....Trueshot rangers
are nice...pet classes are good too. But basiclly it will require the
commitment of hte 2 warriors and a lot of other people on fairly short
notice.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:09 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'rune wont work?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:11 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'It used to
be. But last June they changed it so lifetaps eat through the rune and
still give back the hps to the mob. It wasnt a pretty sight since we
were the first alliance to hit that change. heh'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:19 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'rune doesn't
work'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:30 2002] Tsaryn tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ahh cool.. its
been a WHILE for me.. I'll shush heh'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:39 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'If we can find the
troops there are all sorts of things we can do as training. Doing Yael/scalekeeper
in the Hole, Heavier mobs in Kael, etc. If we can get the people, we
can get them confident in working together'
[Tue Nov 19 21:42:43 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Rune will work
only to serve as more hitpoints for the tank. Your still essentially
healing VS with it now though'
[Tue Nov 19 21:43:58 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Of course,
bear in mind there is a 4 or so month lead time here. So our warriors
need not be 59 yet. But guilds involved in it should have some sort
of commitment from people they know are not slackers.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:44:36 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'that said...
4 months is a LONG time. things change and so do people'
[Tue Nov 19 21:44:38 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Which I believe
is what this meeting is for. To find if we can get some sort of commitment
from the required people. Enough so that we stand a decent chance at
doing this.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:45:06 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'If we can get
a "frame" crew where we all train together and then fill in
the pieces where needed when it happens this could work due to the fact
that we all would have been in mock-raids for a long time prior to VS.
It's the filing the gap that worries me. And IMO we need the warrs on
the framework.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:00 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Pretty much. If
I can get enough commitment to be comfortable with doing it, I will
put us on the VS rotation tonight'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:06 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'We can't wait
for a Warr to sign up for VS. We need them solid commited with at least
one or two backups.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:12 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'In my experience
with KCoG, the gap fillers will come. Especially if the raid is led
by someone they know has done successful ones in the past. I'm more
worried about the actual framework of 2 warriors. If you can find that,
the rest should follow.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:27 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'aye kell'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:44 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'do any guilds
have a warrior close to 59?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:46 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Well the question
goes out, who has the warrs?'
[Tue Nov 19 21:46:50 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'The thing I am worried
about is the 59+ warrior * 2. If we can get that I think we can pull
together the rest of the people'
[Tue Nov 19 21:47:08 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'we have
a 55 warr nearly 56'
[Tue Nov 19 21:47:38 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'rkol will step
up to PL anyone wiling to be on frame team'
[Tue Nov 19 21:47:40 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'we have a
53...54..and a 56...'
[Tue Nov 19 21:47:41 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'There is one. If
nothing else we can PL him at the last minute for it, but 4 months should
give him the chance to din 3 times'
[Tue Nov 19 21:48:13 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'If he's solid
that may be enough. Even just 1 who will be with you in 3 or 4 months
and be 59+ may be all you need. The second can be found or PL'd if necessary
It hink...'
[Tue Nov 19 21:48:15 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And there are a
few more. With the resources here, I really don't think PL'ing a warrior
will be that difficult one way or another. '
[Tue Nov 19 21:48:46 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '/agree'
[Tue Nov 19 21:49:33 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And the second question,
which is as important, is are they able to commit to it and would they
be willing to? I know a lot of darks will not go into KC because of
VS faction, and killing VS wouldn't exactly help with that'
[Tue Nov 19 21:50:09 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'all of ours
are barbs..have one 50 DE warr'
[Tue Nov 19 21:50:50 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And by commit I
mean would they be able to be there at any given night, specifically
in a week or two time frame where we know we will most likely be up
in the rotations.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:51:49 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'With that said
on a side note, we would need a mailing list for VS...off track but
something to think of.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:52:11 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'We can get Haemish
to do that no problem, or worst case I can do it'
[Tue Nov 19 21:52:17 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'They aren't hard
to set up'
[Tue Nov 19 21:52:26 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'The mailing
list should be doable easily enough. VS is a lot more predictable than
the dragons these days.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:52:35 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'guild leaders
will need to check with their warriors and get back to kcog'
[Tue Nov 19 21:52:49 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok'
[Tue Nov 19 21:53:05 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Question..'
[Tue Nov 19 21:53:18 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yeah, one guild
in 5 fails on VS, half of guilds fail on dragons'
[Tue Nov 19 21:53:23 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Shoot Qam'
[Tue Nov 19 21:55:07 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Why the difficulty
of commiting to something like VS, you do get two weeks notice? I guess
I am confused. Perhaps RKoL plans too far ahead. But we always have
things planed a month ahead with people committing to RL, or host, etc.
I am just confused as usual. I know RL and all but that's why we plan
a month ahead. My work calendar book has my EQ events in it for peats
sake. :) Heh.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:55:40 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'If you know
you have a VS coming up, don't plan something that day. done.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:55:58 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'not so easy
for some... :)'
[Tue Nov 19 21:56:16 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'folks have
emergencies come up at the last moment..sometimes I dont know when work
is going to send me out of town till the day before...some of us have
unpredictable schedules to say the least =('
[Tue Nov 19 21:56:23 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'on call
for work... etc'
[Tue Nov 19 21:56:32 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'the week is
easy enough to predict for the most part. Even as far as a month out.
But the actual day there...is less so.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:56:49 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'kids...:)'
[Tue Nov 19 21:57:02 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, 1...you don't
get two weeks notice. You get a time frame of around 2 weeks where you
can predict it being up at any given time.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:57:53 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Well I agree
with that. But, however, I don't agree with sitting around waiting for
the worst. Things happen. They always do. I am on call 24/7 no matter
if i take time off or not. I get called at 2am, 4am, whenever they want.
but I don't stop planning things incase I get "the call".'
[Tue Nov 19 21:58:09 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Thats one of
the things that has made doing these things so hard for KCoG really.
I'd say you can probably narrow it down to a day with a 50 percent chance
of it occuring a day earlier or later. So call it a 3 day spread. And
you wont know that till the week before or so since it will depend on
when the guild before you does the kill.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:58:42 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'It's the fails
by the guild ahead that really trip is up'
[Tue Nov 19 21:59:16 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'True. but you'll
be able to tell. If the guild before you is one no one has heard of...well...you
know. If its NB then you can pretty much count on them doing it.'
[Tue Nov 19 21:59:21 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, the thing
about VS is that fails are so rare that the only thing that stops you
from knowing when it will happen is the 3 day spread where he can pop
any given pop'
[Tue Nov 19 21:59:53 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'It isn't like Vox
and Naggy where you can count on at least a 3rd of the guilds failing'
[Tue Nov 19 22:00:12 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Aye. Anyway,
no one makes all raids of course. If you could...you'd probably be part
of NB or something. We just need enough people who can commit so that
no matter when he spawns within the spread we can get enough.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:02:14 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Lol, work just
called. Have to reset a pw. Using laptop. :) Hehe'
[Tue Nov 19 22:02:48 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And that is the
kind of commitment that we need from those Warriors, the knowledge that
they WILL be able to make it when he is up. I can understand last minute
emergencies and things like that, but the whole raid would be counting
on these people. Some people cannot give commitment, and again that
is understandable. We need to get 2 59+ Warriors that can commit.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:02:56 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Have to log for
a minute Qam?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:03:23 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'nope all good,
have eq on my pc, work on laptop. Just was kinda funny'
[Tue Nov 19 22:03:31 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'if we have
to pass, do we still stay on rotation?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:04:03 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yes Primortius
:) We just take a fail. 2 of those will give us a skip, but we remain
where we were.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:04:18 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'k'
[Tue Nov 19 22:04:29 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, yes. The way
it works is that if you have to pass when you are up for rotation, you
take a fail. 2 fails in a row and you take a skip.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:05:35 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'However, this is
going to be a trial run sort of deal. So if we have to take a fail the
first run...then I will have to really really think about continuing
with the rotation.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:05:57 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I think if
the various guild leaders and officers get their people interested we'll
have an easier time really.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:06:05 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I agree. I
think we HAVE to take him down the first time we try.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:06:08 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'agree'
[Tue Nov 19 22:06:26 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'This might
be a time to think about seriously doing more old style mixer hunts.
To places like PoN and the like. Just to get people more interested
in working together.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:06:34 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'night Medi'
[Tue Nov 19 22:06:48 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'very good
idea'
[Tue Nov 19 22:07:38 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'The main problem
with mixer hunts has always been people showing up....people to run
them..and trying to juggle schedules. Still...if people are serious
about it...guilds should be able to come up with the numbers at least.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:08:15 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Okay, another
wrench'
[Tue Nov 19 22:08:22 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I plan on it kellory.
If we add ourselves to the rotation we will be doing a lot of raids
on places like the hole and PoN, PoI, PoD, Kael, and places like that
to get a good feel for working together. This isn't going to be a verbal
commitment, this is going to take a lot of determination. I want this
to happen, but it will be my reputation going on the line along with
KCoG's, so if I feel that things are falling through, it is done. Simple
as that'
[Tue Nov 19 22:09:13 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'sounds fair
enough'
[Tue Nov 19 22:09:54 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'nm about wrench.
something to discuss later.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:10:38 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'We will need disipline,
familiarity, and confidence working together. If people don't bother
showing up to any of the practice raids, then I know we don't have the
commitment and the determination to take out VS. I know people will
not be able to make every practice raid, and depending on crappy scheduling
may miss a few. But I will expect people to come to as many as possible.
And frankly, if we don't have enough people to fill out a Hole raid,
then we won't have enough people to take out VS'
[Tue Nov 19 22:11:19 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hehe I am
up for a raid in the hole...'
[Tue Nov 19 22:11:20 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'agree'
[Tue Nov 19 22:11:27 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'question'
[Tue Nov 19 22:11:31 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'scalekeeper.
:)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:12:02 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'That is a bit of
a rant, but something I do want absolutely understood here. We are all
committed together, or this isn't going forward. Everyone needs to be
determined to pull this off'
[Tue Nov 19 22:12:22 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'basically
what we need to do is'
[Tue Nov 19 22:12:23 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Shoot Bulluan'
[Tue Nov 19 22:12:28 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'holding'
[Tue Nov 19 22:13:34 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'It seems we
are working on a 4 month time frame and we plan on doing practices before
hand unfortunatly for most the next 1 and half months is usually a busy
schedule. I think we will have the particapation but it may be til january.
done'
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