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[Tue Nov 19 22:13:51
2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'verey goos point'
[Tue Nov 19 22:13:56 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'errr good'
[Tue Nov 19 22:14:18 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'bullaun
ld'
[Tue Nov 19 22:14:22 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'my schedule
is going to be horrid over the next 3 months..or more..but I will do
what i can to attend'
[Tue Nov 19 22:14:52 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I know many
who are going to be in the same boat..lots of vacations..and company
over the holidays'
[Tue Nov 19 22:15:07 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'best we can
do is try our best'
[Tue Nov 19 22:15:16 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I'll be moving
after christmas so after that it will be touch and go but before then
I'm game'
[Tue Nov 19 22:16:15 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I think keeping
regular people interested will be the main key. And that will be up
to indivdual guild leaders for the most part. and officers. But if we
can keep interest, then there should at least be a chance.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:16:36 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I am comitted
to this endevor...and I wil light a big ole firecracker under AoF before
I go away for the holidays to ensure we get a turnout for these events'
[Tue Nov 19 22:16:37 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Good point, but
something that we can work with. I can understand busy schedules and
whatnot. Especially around christmas. Again, I am not expecting perfect
attendance or anything, I am looking for determination to make the best
try at it.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:17:25 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'What was your question
Primortius?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:17:48 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'perhaps
we should first, see if we can get the commitment from our 59 tanks...
and 2, we should maybe run some practice raids first to determine interest'
[Tue Nov 19 22:18:07 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'done'
[Tue Nov 19 22:18:43 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'back'
[Tue Nov 19 22:19:04 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'May I offer
a compromise idea to Primortius?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:19:08 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'but do take
the holidays into consideration on attandance'
[Tue Nov 19 22:19:15 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'pls do'
[Tue Nov 19 22:19:15 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I definitely want
the commitment from at least 2 of those warriors, preferably 3 just
to call it safe. After we get that we can go on the rotation, after
all it will be 4 months before we are up.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:20:05 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'The raids and whatnot
can come later. They are a way to get working closer together, but we
don't need to do those ahead of time'
[Tue Nov 19 22:20:28 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'what is the precise
commitment you are looking for farr?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:20:33 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'First, yes
we'll need some sort of commitment from the warriors. But at this point
even without it, I think you should add yourself to the rotation within
a week. To put some pressure on people to actually commit. That this
isnt just a pipe dream.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:20:45 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I will Primortius,
in fact the greater part of them will probably come after the holidays'
[Tue Nov 19 22:21:01 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, ':)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:21:07 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Then, run a
few mixer hunts. But make it known that these are not just for fun,
but are guides to whether we stay on the rotation or not. If people
are not willing to ante up...you can always withdraw from the rotation.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:21:31 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Withdrawing
will not limit us to resign up?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:22:02 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Nope. Would be unfavorably
looked upon if we withdrew while we were currently up, but other than
that it shouldn't cause a problem'
[Tue Nov 19 22:22:03 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'No, other than
to make us look a little silly. but it happens from time to time. Plus
we're talking 3-4 months down the road, not within a few weeks of signing
up. heh'
[Tue Nov 19 22:22:30 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'prolly cant rejoin
untill a full rotation has passed or somethingt'
[Tue Nov 19 22:22:58 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'But the fact is,
if we get taken of the rotation, we will probably not ever be going
back on. We either need to plow through and use the momentum to keep
on going, or we fall short and forget about it.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:23:42 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'well the
biggest hurdle i see is if we will even have a warrior of sufficient
lvl in kcog by the time we are up'
[Tue Nov 19 22:24:19 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'If we can get a
commitment from one that is sufficiently close (55 would be fine) we
can PL him if nothing else as we get closer.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:24:19 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I dont mean
to seem like the downer. I am all for this'
[Tue Nov 19 22:24:20 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'If we get commitments
for any warrior of decent level, they WILL be of level by the time we
are up.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:24:34 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Level isn't
the problem, it's the commitment'
[Tue Nov 19 22:24:55 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'No, Primortius,
These are things that we need to discuss here, that is what the meeting
is about.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:25:04 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I need to afk for
a minute'
[Tue Nov 19 22:26:59 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'so what we
are looking for right now is warriors that will comit to this now.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:27:14 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'and how many?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:30:04 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'well if we had
4 keen warriors, proly 2 could make it any given day?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:30:13 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'probably'
[Tue Nov 19 22:30:21 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'What date do
you need the names and lvls for the tanks committing?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:30:43 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Farrn is still
afk I believe'
[Tue Nov 19 22:30:48 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'farr = afk'
[Tue Nov 19 22:35:24 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hope he didnt
fall in..'
[Tue Nov 19 22:35:30 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'lol!'
[Tue Nov 19 22:35:32 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'LOL'
[Tue Nov 19 22:35:33 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ROFL'
[Tue Nov 19 22:35:56 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, '@'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:12 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'raid on farr
house! we'll save him!! :)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:16 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'thats why I
keep a safety line attached to the wall...'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:24 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'lol'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:37 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'bah, if he's
stuck he needs a GM to unstick him... gotta /petition'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:45 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'LMAO'
[Tue Nov 19 22:36:58 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I'm unsure
I'd want to try something as hazardous as that really...cant we just
send in the police? They're paid to take risks like that.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:10 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'ok, back...sorry
about that'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:12 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I mean....would
YOU want to risk seeing Farr half naked? *sniker*'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:16 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'you ok farr?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:17 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Hazmat team
;)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:18 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'LOL'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:20 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'oh thank
god'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:29 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yep, just had to
take care of something RL.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:36 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Taken care of now'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:37 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '<--- Points
at the Dwarf'
[Tue Nov 19 22:37:54 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ahhh, the joys
of indoor plumbing...'
[Tue Nov 19 22:38:17 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'anyway...if
we're done making fun of Farrn...heh...the question was how long did
people have to get a commitment on the warriors?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:38:17 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Farrn passed
for indoor for DSL. Think he chose wisely. :)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:38:27 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'To the other question,
I would want strong commitment from 2 tanks. If no strong commitments,
then I would want I think I would be able to make it's from at least
4'
[Tue Nov 19 22:39:05 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, I would like
to see what we could do tonight or in the next couple of nights. I would
say Thursday at the latest so that I can add to rotations quickly if
we are going to go.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:40:18 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I think a week
or so for getting at least the warriors to commit should be sufficent?
no?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:40:29 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'agree'
[Tue Nov 19 22:40:54 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, I would like
it asap. I would say a week at the very very outside. But don't wait
for a week to let me know, let me know as soon as you talk to them'
[Tue Nov 19 22:42:21 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'And the big
key folks. You are the moderator of this. You have to be the ones to
tell your guilds and promote it. Make a hotkey, post on your board,
send an email. Bah, be annoying like me. Whatever it takes. but without
you doing the 'marketing' we wont be able to move forward. Everyone
here has to help keep this thing interesting to our members. Get them
pummped.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:42:28 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ok so one
week it is then'
[Tue Nov 19 22:43:53 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yes. To be truthful,
very few people actually pay attention to the KCoG boards anymore. So
they will not know until you tell them. You guys are the ones that are
going to make this work if it is going to work, I am just playing administrator.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:44:50 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I'd have to
agree with Qamgine. As much as he and Farrn are putting this together,
but bulk of the responsibility to get people involved will remain with
the various guild leaders. They'll need to be the ones promoting this
and getting people excited.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:47:13 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'So make sure your
guilds know. Make sure that other guild leaders you know know about
this (as long as they are not on the rotations already). As far as I
look at this, KCoG is an alliance of people that are not in a given
rotation. So anyone not in VS rotation should be able to come.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:47:32 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'agree'
[Tue Nov 19 22:48:22 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Well I believe
it would be futile to discuss strategy if we find out we don't have
the warr on the framwork team. I motion that we table strategy until
next Tuesday for another meeting where we will then decide if we have
the commitment needed to go forward. Then we can start discussing mixers,
strategy, etc.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:48:23 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'already talked
to the guild about this ..and they seem pretty exited...'
[Tue Nov 19 22:49:10 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'shouldnt be
that hard ..at all..to get folks to attend the mixer raids ;)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:50:13 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Unless we want
to discuss strategy which is fine by me. Was just thinking that due
to the fact we don't have solid commitments yet might be smarter to
get the commitment first.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:50:24 2002] Tsaryn tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Gotta log sorry
:('
[Tue Nov 19 22:50:42 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And I am going to
make one more rule here. I do not want people just showing up to VS.
Anyone who comes on the VS raid needs to have come to at least one other
raid with the rest of us (I may raise the requirement depending on how
many raids we do). We will also have a strategy post up on the board
that anyone who is coming needs to have posted that they have read.
I may designate a few people to do interviews with those who say that
they have read it to make sure everything is understood all the wa'
[Tue Nov 19 22:50:57 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'how bout the
30 second version of the stragegy'
[Tue Nov 19 22:51:31 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, I think that
we can talk about strategy, that should not be a huge problem, we will
just need to discuss it later with tank here'
[Tue Nov 19 22:51:38 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, see you later
TSaryn'
[Tue Nov 19 22:51:43 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Was going to
be my point for next meeting during strategy farr. totally agree on
Pre-Requisite'
[Tue Nov 19 22:51:52 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yes later
sounds good...coming up on two hrs'
[Tue Nov 19 22:53:09 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Hello.........
just found out about this meeting.... I am GL of Sanctum Amici.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:53:24 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Or we can do next
week. Not a big deal. What do you guys want to do? I would rather talk
strategy a bit, but if you want to wait for next week that is fine'
[Tue Nov 19 22:53:28 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I've logged
the meeting, FYI'
[Tue Nov 19 22:54:09 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Hey Judimar, how
you doing?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:54:40 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I am up for
strategy now. It wont hurt us to talk about it, but we are still at
the "What-If's" stage. Might be tough to discuss strategy
when we are missing the main puzzle piece. But we can theorize.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:54:42 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Not too bad
)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:55:26 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Thought sanctum
was already in VS. Of course I know you guys lost a lot of people recently,
so you have to withdraw from VS as well?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:55:27 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'JUDIMAR!'
[Tue Nov 19 22:55:41 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Aye we have'
[Tue Nov 19 22:55:49 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'For the time
being that is )'
[Tue Nov 19 22:56:04 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, in the meantime
you are welcome with us'
[Tue Nov 19 22:56:27 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Thanks ) Would
love to help you. '
[Tue Nov 19 22:56:28 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'We have been discussing
whether we have any tanks high enough. You happen to have a few 59+
warriors running around?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:57:32 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Katasha is
61 (warrior) Baptismo is 60/61 and a pally and Kalaelen is 62 (sk)'
[Tue Nov 19 22:57:57 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Wow, that would
help a lot'
[Tue Nov 19 22:57:57 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Anyone else
get goosebumps?'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:09 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'And I am a
61 ranger almost 62'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:32 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Almost 26 AA
points'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:39 2002] Primortius tells kcogcouncil:3, 'sorry all
but I must be off'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:40 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'We were wondering
about the 59+ warrior for the ability to stop Lifetaps.'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:47 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, see you later
Primortius'
[Tue Nov 19 22:58:53 2002] Silveray tells kcogcouncil:3, 'night folks..have
to log..have work early in the morn ..take care '
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:04 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'see ya'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:06 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I think we are going
to talk some more while we are here, but lets plan on the meeting next
Tuesday as well'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:10 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'nite silv
and prim'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:10 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'bye silver
and prim'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:13 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'See you later Silveray'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:20 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'We also have
a 61 enchanter'
[Tue Nov 19 22:59:56 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, '60 warrior
for VS helps a lot'
[Tue Nov 19 23:00:13 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I think that answered
our questions about having enough firepower'
[Tue Nov 19 23:00:49 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I will speak
to them and see if they are willing to help as well :)'
[Tue Nov 19 23:00:57 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Awesome'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:04 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'When should
I let you know'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:12 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Now here are my
thoughts on the basic strategy...typing.....'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:25 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'One week Deadline
Judimar for notice'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:26 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'ASAP, I will probably
go ahead and put us on the rotation on KGC tonight'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:35 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'oh, nm'
[Tue Nov 19 23:01:41 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok )'
[Tue Nov 19 23:02:17 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I think we have
enough possible tanks (1 from Bane, 3 from AoF, and 2 from SA) that
we should be able to finagle at least one there on the night'
[Tue Nov 19 23:04:57 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, my thoughts
are pretty basic. Have two tanks pull VS to the setup room. Have them
both engage VS for 20-30 seconds taunting and getting as much aggro
as possible (2-3 clerics on healing duty). Those two tanks should have
enough aggro that VS will stick on them. When we are ready to engage
the MT yells the engage, and everyone starts firing. At the 16 Second
Mark he yells giving up aggro and ST takes aggro (a few enchanters/sk's
with spells to switch aggro would help a lot here). ST takes the '
[Tue Nov 19 23:05:21 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Aggro until VS is
dead. If VS isn't dead 17 seconds after ST gets aggro everyone /q.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:05:30 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'That is the basic
plan that I am looking at'
[Tue Nov 19 23:05:37 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Thoughts?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:05:56 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'What about
the adds in the room?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:04 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, '/q doesnt work
anymore. you wont disappear as long as you have aggro.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:21 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yeah only /q
for the rezzers'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:21 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Adds are minor.
and they wont aggro the room really unless you go out to taunt them'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:23 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'When did they change
that? Primary aggro, or just on hate list?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:39 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hate list I
tink...not sure though'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:42 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'melle try to
hold agro'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:45 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '/q doesn't
work'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:50 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'From my understanding
adds won't be an issue. Anything that can add will be killed before
engagement'
[Tue Nov 19 23:06:52 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I died last
time I tried it'
[Tue Nov 19 23:07:04 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I did see one
of our tanks keep going in HoT the other day though. he never had primary
aggro.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:07:07 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Wow, I wonder when
they changed that. I didn't know about that'
[Tue Nov 19 23:07:36 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'they changed
it sometime around teh RF change. Our guild leader found that out the
hard way when he attacked theWarder by accident. heh, funniest thing
you ever saw.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:07:56 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, then....if
he isn't dead 17 seconds after ST takes aggro, we are all just flat
dead then :)'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:14 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Run away... run
away'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:15 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Guess i just haven't
had to use /q in an emergency since then'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:23 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Can VS summon?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:34 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'not from DL....'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:34 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'the warriors
had problem getting the adds out of VS room lasttime i went had to have
a ranger pull or a pally pacify'
[Tue Nov 19 23:08:56 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'No rredd, that isn't
even funny. Seeing VS camping the entrance of KC would be funny however
:)'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:28 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'god imagine if
mobs could summon accross zone lines.. or follow'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:41 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Can VS summon?
RKOL is druid heavy. We can handel evacs if needed'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:49 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, '*shudders
at the thought*'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:51 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I believe so.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:56 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Yes I think
he can'
[Tue Nov 19 23:09:59 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yes'
[Tue Nov 19 23:10:03 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'If nothing else,
they are nothing that a pair of Enchanters can't take care of. From
all of my reading of posts no one ever really mentioned a bad problem
with adds'
[Tue Nov 19 23:10:13 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Summon and
lifetap'
[Tue Nov 19 23:10:24 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'He can probably
summon,however if he is summoning anyone but the MT or ST then we are
dead anyway'
[Tue Nov 19 23:10:52 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Then may I
suggest at 17 sec mark all druids start tp to a specified zone?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:11:16 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Saves on coffins'
[Tue Nov 19 23:11:18 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'We could do that,
I guess. I just am planning on it not coming to that though'
[Tue Nov 19 23:11:50 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '/agree, but
don't think a TPW is necessary'
[Tue Nov 19 23:11:51 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Again, from what
I have heard CR isn't that big of an issue. Rogue should be able to
get most of the bodies there NP'
[Tue Nov 19 23:11:59 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'you dont really
need coffins. its pretty easy to fight back with a single group and
acleric. and the prep room is pretty much safe.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:12:28 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Kellory, you have
actually been there. What have your experiences been with adds. Ever
a problem?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:13:38 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'No, I used
to solo there all the time at 54 when I was looking for VSR'
[Tue Nov 19 23:14:11 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Lol, ok. We can
have enchanters mezz any unlikely adds, or we can just have a druid
solo all of them'
[Tue Nov 19 23:14:18 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'the prep room
is safe as long as no one wanders, and there's usually only a couple
of mobs between the entrance and the room if your careful'
[Tue Nov 19 23:14:32 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'What are your thoughts
on my plan Kellory? Anything you would modify or add?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:15:22 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Mmmmm, sounds
pretty good...the problem is putting theory into practice. Of course,
thats what some Hole raids might be good for. But overall it sounds
about right. Might be easier to go over a written version.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:16:13 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I think we
have a strategy on our website.... where can I post it for you all to
look at?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:16:35 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yep, this isn't
something two tanks who have never worked together can do. The tanks
will definitely need a lot of experience in the practice raids, and
I will be pushing those harder than anyone'
[Tue Nov 19 23:16:45 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Throw it on the
KCoG boards.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:16:58 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok will do'
[Tue Nov 19 23:17:03 2002] Kellory tells kcogcouncil:3, 'there should
be something on the KCoG board It hink. there are several different
options. But it all pretty much boils down to let the warriors get aggro,
then everyone else unload in about 17 seconds.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:17:03 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'go.ezboard.com/bcouncilofguilds'
[Tue Nov 19 23:17:50 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'does VS run
out of mana?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:18:21 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'The main thing I
want to look at though, is letting both of the tanks build up aggro
over about 30 seconds. He can lifetap both of them during that period
because we are not doing damage to him, so no loss. The main thing here
is going to be aggro management, plain and simple'
[Tue Nov 19 23:18:46 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, his Lifetap
is actually a proc. I don't know that there is actually anything he
actually casts.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:18:51 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'That would
require rune'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:04 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'k'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:12 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'the 30 sec
agro that is'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:20 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'A few clerics on
a CH rotation to keep them alive, but that is not a big deal. We should
be able to scrounge a few clerics'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:44 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'i been on three
attempts but none succesful...'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:45 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Clerics and
druids 58+'
[Tue Nov 19 23:19:59 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Aye, level
limits.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:20:04 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'What be they?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:20:15 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Can also have
people who can heal target MT for small heals'
[Tue Nov 19 23:20:45 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Just have to
make sure clerics don't gain agro from the CH's'
[Tue Nov 19 23:20:49 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, '50+. Some people
have suggested 55+, but really resists and things like that aren't necessary,
most are there just for sheer damage output.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:20:55 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Remember druids
and shamans 58+ can CH now'
[Tue Nov 19 23:21:37 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, you have paladins
throw out some LH's to start things off, and once you run out of LH's
rotation starts. By the time that happens clerics shouldn't gain aggro
from heals'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:13 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I am just speaking
generally Judimar. We can work with what we have. Don't necessarily
mean we are depending on clerics for that job'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:27 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'from what i
seen the only others getting agro was melee'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:27 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Doesn't even'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:38 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'melee can't
kick or taunt'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:41 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Aye )'
[Tue Nov 19 23:22:52 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'no healer is
een got agro'
[Tue Nov 19 23:23:40 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'The thirty seconds
of MT and ST building aggro should stop most accidental aggro mismanagement.
Anyone who gets at the top of the aggro list after that is doing something
bad wrong, and needs to be picked out anyway'
[Tue Nov 19 23:24:19 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Lets just hope
they don't do that mid damage dealt otherwise we undo what we did. That
is most important of all.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:24:25 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'if this whole
thing lasts any more than 20 secs we have lost'
[Tue Nov 19 23:24:49 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'key is MASSIVE
DPS for about 15 secs'
[Tue Nov 19 23:25:04 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '/agree'
[Tue Nov 19 23:25:44 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Actually rredd,
we will have (with 2 warriors that work together) 34 seconds from the
time that the first warrior uses his first disipline. Figure a little
overlap and we will call it at 30-32 seconds total. If it is any longer
than that we will all die'
[Tue Nov 19 23:26:08 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'less hp than
vox naggy right?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:26:18 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'half the HP of vox/naggy'
[Tue Nov 19 23:26:38 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'They both have 32k,
VS has 16k. If it weren't for that lifetap he would be a joke'
[Tue Nov 19 23:26:46 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'so 2 ice comets
each from 4 wizards... plus a couple k of melee damage'
[Tue Nov 19 23:26:59 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'have to be in
melee range to nuke?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:27:33 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'He's highly
resistable to nukes. 56 nukes were resisted before'
[Tue Nov 19 23:27:33 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'And considering
that KCoG normally takes out the dragons in around 25 seconds, and that
is the under 53 crowd, I think that the 50+ crowd can do at least as
well'
[Tue Nov 19 23:27:55 2002] Judimar tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Think lures
land on him'
[Tue Nov 19 23:28:00 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'He is highly resistant
to Magic. They say that wizards need to be using lures, Mages and necros
need to rely on pet damage'
[Tue Nov 19 23:28:16 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Im thinking you
shoot for KISS.. no MT change.. just hammer him hard enough to take
him down in 17 secs'
[Tue Nov 19 23:29:05 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, the problem
is that 16 seconds is a little bit limiting. If he goes down that quick
great, but I would like to have that second warrior there, if nothing
else just to make me feel better'
[Tue Nov 19 23:29:45 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Especially when
you consider how MR he is.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:30:00 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Im gonna stick
with the statement that if hes not at least mostly dead by 17 secs its
prolly over'
[Tue Nov 19 23:31:42 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'No doubt about it,
but those extra 15 seconds or so could very easily make the difference.
So I am going to plan for it that way. This is not going to be a dragon
"Pickup" raid like Naggy and Vox, we are going to have a disiplined
crew there. The main difficulty will be with the two tanks, so if they
know how to work together it shouldn't be a big problem (with a little
aggro spell help). And if he goes down before the Tank switch is made,
then no loss'
[Tue Nov 19 23:33:19 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Anyone else have
anything to add?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:34:14 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Just a reminder
to *pump* this and inform them of the Mixer raids. YOU have to promote
this. KCoG is only hosting it.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:35:02 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yes, this is highly
dependent on the guild leaders getting out there and getting people
involved. If we don't have participation from people, then we won't
be able to do this'
[Tue Nov 19 23:36:13 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Up for anythin.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:36:15 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'wt'
[Tue Nov 19 23:36:48 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'With me being
new to the Council, about half my guild is 46+ and waiting for the opprtunity'
[Tue Nov 19 23:38:01 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'No problem. Remember
we are talking about a 4 month lead time. So you will have plenty of
time to level up for it. And in the meantime remember that we are also
on old world dragon and planes rotations as well'
[Tue Nov 19 23:38:04 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yeah but 4
months your guild be 50+'
[Tue Nov 19 23:38:40 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Aye we have 10
or so that are 50+ now'
[Tue Nov 19 23:38:58 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'i will
be a CHer by then'
[Tue Nov 19 23:39:40 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, if anyone
has anything to add to the discussion, go ahead. Otherwise lets wrap
this up'
[Tue Nov 19 23:40:00 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I've said my
2cp and change.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:40:06 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'meeting next
week?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:40:47 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Yep, same bat time,
same bat channel. We can discuss the specifics, and also get a better
idea of the players that will be involved'
[Tue Nov 19 23:41:17 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'To clarify,
next tuesday 9pm EST'
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:03 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'good to hear
you all )'
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:15 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Ok, will send emails
to Haemish and we will work at getting a new section of the forum, a
mailing list, and all of that up tomorrow. Will put us on the list tonight,
and we can take it from there'
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:45 2002] Hydairpak tells kcogcouncil:3, 'sounds good.
we'll see you next tues then'
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:47 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'great '
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:47 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Sounds good.
I have a log of this to post if need be, I can parse out just the kcogcouncil'
[Tue Nov 19 23:42:55 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Thanks all for coming,
and wish us luck. This will be a hard challenge, but if we can rise
up to it the rewards will be great'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:06 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Agree.'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:07 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'I will do that Qam,
Rredd gave me a program to do just that'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:13 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'k'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:17 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Im giving Farr
Grep lessons'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:19 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'will send it
via email'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:22 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Lol'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:39 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'lol'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:42 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'I swear most
usefull program EVER'
[Tue Nov 19 23:43:43 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ls EQ | grep
Rredd'
[Tue Nov 19 23:44:07 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'hehe'
[Tue Nov 19 23:44:08 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Rredd, do you
have a version that runs on dos/windows?'
[Tue Nov 19 23:44:37 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'yep, only 65k..
if you want it email to [email protected]'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:08 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, '<-- Launches
spam program using command line reference of [email protected]. Hehe'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:16 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Thanks all
for coming!'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:16 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'lol... like
I'm ever going to see 65k in my entire EQ career'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:26 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ROFL Nerissa'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:32 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'no its only 65
kilobytes'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:43 2002] Cando tells kcogcouncil:3, 'Night all...............til
next week = )'
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:48 2002] Bulluan tells kcogcouncil:3, 'night '
[Tue Nov 19 23:45:49 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'as in the size
of a 400x400 pixel jpeg'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:02 2002] Macguinness tells kcogcouncil:3, 'night'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:03 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Night Cando'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:05 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'ah, okies,
might give you a shout then... I've been looking for one of those =)'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:19 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, '/bonk Nerissa'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:49 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'bah, it's almost
past my bed time, give me a break =P'
[Tue Nov 19 23:46:54 2002] Qamgine tells kcogcouncil:3, 'night guys'
[Tue Nov 19 23:47:04 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Night everyone logging'
[Tue Nov 19 23:47:06 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'one break, coming
uuuup'
[Tue Nov 19 23:47:13 2002] Nerissa tells kcogcouncil:3, 'lol'
[Tue Nov 19 23:48:04 2002] Rredd tells kcogcouncil:3, 'see you all'
[Tue Nov 19 23:51:06 2002] You tell kcogcouncil:3, 'Well, I am headed
out. Night all'
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